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« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2008, 09:23:26 PM »

AMD RS780 crushes AMD 690G

AMD released its RS780 chipset in China this week and and over at OCWorkbench they've published a couple of benchmarks with the integrated graphics processor. RS780 is the successor to the AMD 690G chipset, and judging from the first benchmarks there is huge difference between the two. Overall, RS780 is twice as fast as 690G and in 3DMark06, RS780 whips 690G by 261%...

Isn't it good to know that the product we can't buy performs so well?
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« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2008, 01:15:26 AM »

2x faster than a snail = a somewhat fast snail? :-)
I'm more interested in how much CPU it'll use under Linux when decoding a full mpeg4 h.264 1080p video stream to DVI or HDMI outputs...
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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2008, 06:41:25 PM »

CC:
and just to tease you more, Gigabyte has your MB ready but won't ship it for a month :-)
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/02/01/amd_s_new_rs780_igp_and_sb700/1
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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2008, 11:27:29 PM »

It uses the new SB700 Southbridge.
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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2008, 05:46:02 PM »

Forgot to mention this...does this mean the MCP78u is dead if nVidia is going to push the 8200 IGP?
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5005&Itemid=1
That might explain why the MCP78u is so late (November last year, then Feb, and now nothing in Feb so they gave up and skipped it)-:
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« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2008, 07:40:32 PM »

AMD officially launches 780 chipset
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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2008, 07:48:54 PM »

article in ComputerWorld

With nearly three times the transistors, the 780G chip set uses less power, coming in under 1 watt

At idle, I presume.(?)

"It has 205 million transistors, compared to 72 million in the AMD 690G," Kozak told Computerworld. "And while almost tripling the amount of transistors, we've cut energy consumption by up to 40%, bringing it under 1 watt."
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Including the graphics on the chip set increases performance by 50% to 60% compared to the predecessor chip, Kozak added.
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The new chip set is available immediately.
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« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2008, 07:59:14 PM »

ExtermeTech reviews a 780G system
Their motherboard is the Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H

780G northbridge
SB700 Southbridge
Radeon HD3450 card
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« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2008, 12:04:13 AM »

List of motherboards that support the RS780G:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/03/04/amd_780g_chipset/page18.html
Conspicuously absent is Abit whose boards I favor over Asus :-P  They usually support nVidia chipsets well, but I have no idea when nVidia is going to release their long delayed MCP78U

Long thread on the Gigabyte board (not sure if it supports ECC memory yet):
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=992503

And yes, you can actually buy the Gigabyte already :-)
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« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2008, 03:21:15 AM »

nvidia MCP7A info:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10921
The MCP7A-GL and MCP7A-J look good, but who knows when they'll be out ;-)

Looks like Abit has theA-N78HD ready:
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=3250&p=3
and surprisingly, no fan on the IGP (the MCP78U was too hot so it needed a fan an no MB makers wanted to sell it :-)
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« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2008, 04:53:39 PM »

From that Tom's hardware write up on the AMD 780G:

The GPU is surprisingly overclockable with all of the settings comfortably available in the BIOS, and performance improves tangibly when the integrated graphics core is overclocked. AMD has succeeded in improving every feature of the chipset, integrating new functionality and simultaneously lowering power consumption. We wish every company were capable of such feats.
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« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2008, 09:37:28 PM »

grr...the Asus 780G board supports ECC memory and has a bigger heatsink for the 780G but has no firewire/esata http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=176152
The Gigabyte 780G board has firewire/esata but the heatsink is smaller and doesn't support ECC memory :-P
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« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2008, 10:56:11 PM »

The 780G launch should be quick and problem-free, since it was launched in China a month ago. Info is already up at manufacturer's sites, and NewEgg already lists 3 boards with 780G, from ECS, ASUS and Gigabyte. The ASUS M3A78-EMH is listed as having 10/100 networking, that's got to be a data entry error.
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« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2008, 11:01:06 PM »

Any word on which manufacturers are going to use SidePort, the dedicated video RAM interface on the 780G?


 Here's a review on one such board from J&W.
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« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2008, 11:50:16 PM »

We won't get the J&W in the US unfortunately :-P
The only one I know of that has video memory is the MSI 7411:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1003579
but ETA is Q3 which seems a bit weird.  It also uses the 780M and doesn't have esata and firewire but adds component out (the 780G does not support component out)...
No comments from any users on whether Linux runs on any of the boards yet...
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« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2008, 12:27:37 AM »

FYI, Abit will be doing a 780G board...model is abit A-S78H
No info on what ports it has, but it has a nice huge northbridge heatsink :-)
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« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2008, 07:30:56 PM »

Sapphire 780G board is really the Jetway board:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=180954
No ECC memory support for those who care :-P
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« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2008, 12:29:48 AM »

looks like the nVidia MCP78 has been renamed to the 750a.  nVidia is getting sooooooo confusing :-P

http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/03/25/zotac_jumps_the_gun_on_new_nvidia_hybrid_sli_chipset_for_amd/
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« Reply #43 on: April 01, 2008, 08:18:50 PM »

Asrock released an interesting 780G board:
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20080401PR204.html
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=A780FullDisplayPort
First DisplayPort board that I know of.  Has firewire.  But no ECC memory support for me :-(
Heatsink over the 780G chip isn't that big though...nowhere near as big as the Abit's which hasn't been released...
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« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2008, 09:24:52 PM »

Abit finally announced their board officially on their web site:
http://www.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboard/motherboard_detail.php?pMODEL_NAME=A-S78H&fMTYPE=Socket%20AM2
The good news for me is ECC memory support finally.  The bad new for others is no firewire support and no DisplayPort.
It also has a 4-phase power filter, so it will also fry if you stick a 125W processor into it like all the 780G motherboards :-P
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« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2008, 09:04:42 PM »

The A-N78HD (nvidia MCP78S chipset) has also been officially announced:

http://www.abit.com.tw/page/en/news/newspop.php?pDOCNO=en_0804091
http://www.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboard/motherboard_detail.php?pMODEL_NAME=A-N78HD&fMTYPE=Socket%20AM2

Interesting that it has an extra PWM for the memory area.
Also supports ECC memory *and* firewire.

Interesting that the 780G variant doesn't have PS/2 mouse support any more but this board does.
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« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2008, 05:59:08 PM »

Here's the DFI SLI/crossfire uATX board:
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/06/10/dfi-brings-overclocking-masses

and it has a spiffed up 780G chip too...

DFI USA repliled and said it should be for sale around mid-July.
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« Reply #47 on: June 16, 2008, 10:22:32 AM »

Newegg currently has a few pretty good deals on open box 780G motherboards with an average savings.
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« Reply #48 on: July 11, 2008, 09:11:50 PM »

Wow..talk about taking forever...the Abit one won't be shipping until August 1st....gotta wonder if that huge nVidia 8200/8600 FUBAR is to blame :-P
Bet that stalled DFI's SLI mATX board as well...
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« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2008, 10:21:27 PM »

I never saw this mentioned, but Asus released the M3A78-EM (http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=149&l3=639&l4=0&model=2252&modelmenu=1)

Seems to have more features than their -EMH and -PRO and -VM (why in the world did they release so many of these board variants??)-:
Anyways, on the feature side, it seems to have more than enough to compete w/ the feature laden Gigabyte 780G board...firewire, esata, hdmi, even displayport and ECC memory.
Has anyone tried one yet?
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