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LaserCobra
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« on: February 09, 2008, 09:44:36 PM »

Someone asked me to do this while I had my SP35P2 but I've since gotten rid of it. However, SpeedFan is universal in execution so I'll share what I did for my desktop system. I hope all this flows well and makes sense because it's really easy to do when you learn the lingo.



1.    Launch SpeedFan after installation and check the “do not show again” flag on the hint box. SpeedFan should have scanned all your various bus channels and mostly figured out what is what. At this point SpeedFan is just reporting your temps and speeds so lets start making it take control.




2.    Click CONFIGURE.



The configuration window is displayed. Here is where all the magic happens and most people get confused. I’ll explain the important tabs:

a.    Temperatures:  each tree represents a component and under each tree are various speed labels. Those “speed” items are actually fans. We’ll get into that more but you can specify which fans go into action when temperatures raise on the defined component.  More on that later…



b.    Fans:  the fans tab can be taken literally. Under this section is each fan SpeedFan detected at launch.  We’ll rename these later.



c.    Speeds:  this too can be taken literally keeping in mind the name “speed” under this tab is again referring to a fan. Highlighting one of them will show actual speed options below.



d.    Options:  feel free to leave the identified items on their default settings but I auto launch SpeedFan on boot and want to auto minimize when loaded. Additionally the “delta value for fan speed” I set to a lower number. This controls in what percent increment your fan speed will increase and decrease when auto control is enabled. There’s a sweet spot you want to obtain that allows them to spin up fast enough to response to sudden temp increases but also keep the fluctuations at a minimum. Basically you don’t want it set to 50 because your fans could ramp up from 30% idle to 80% as soon as your targeted temp is exceeded by 1 degree. You’ll be left with fans in yo-yo mode.



e.    Advanced:  this is where we’re going to start. We’ll release the fans from the OS/drivers/BIOS control as well as make fine adjustments to temp readings.




3.    Click the ADVANCE tab and select the list box next to “Chip”. There could be more than a few items in here but you’ll know what we’re looking for once you see this screenshot. Keep selecting options until you find it. Should be …..$290 on ISA…..



4.    All PWM line items should be flagged as MANUAL CONTROL and remember to click “remember it” for each item at the bottom. Otherwise SpeedFan will not retain your settings in this tab.



5.    Click OK.

6.    Now we need to figure out which fan is which. If you can visually see each fan or have a good ear, lower all available fans to 10% and raise only one of them to 100%. Also try lowering the one you want to figure out to 0% and look for which stops spinning. It will take a couple seconds to spin down.

7.    In my setup Speed01 is my 120mm side panel fan. To rename it click CONFIGURE, click SPEEDS, and highlight Speed01. Follow that highlight click with another slow single click to activate a rename. Name it something short but descriptive.



Also flag “Automatically variated” if you want auto controls enabled. Set your desired minimum fan speed along with your max. Keep doing this over and over until you have identified all the fans and set them to their auto speed value.



8.    Now we’ll rename all the other items on the main window. Drop the fan speed on one of your fans and watch the listed RPM. I dropped my 120mm side fan and saw my “Sys Fan” RPM drop to 0. Now I can click CONFIGURE, click FANS, and rename “Sys Fan” to what it really is which is my 120mm side fan.



Repeat this until all are renamed.

9.    The easy part- download and run Everest Ultimate (free). You already have a copy, right? Click the COMPUTER tree on the left and then SENSOR.



Match the temps in Everest to the temps in SpeedFan and you’ll see what the real component names should be in SpeedFan. To rename those click CONFIGURE and select the identified component on the TEMPERATURES tab. Rename each accordingly.



10.    Set your desired component temps by clicking CONFIGURE and then TEMPERATURES. Set your range and select which temp you want displayed in the tray. I selected CPU. Expand the tree to list all the fans you want to spin up as a result of increased temps. I disabled most everything for hard drive but left them all checked for CPU.



You’ll notice that my system temp is terribly wrong but that’s okay. It probably isn't populated and is giving false readings. However if you find that SpeedFan and Everest are not matching and you would like them to, just click CONFIGURE, click ADVANCED, select that same bus you did earlier, and select which temp you want to offset. Add or subtract degrees as necessary.





In closing, this application is awesome and easy once you have played with it a bit. Trial and error is the best way I always say…. Feedback welcome.
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Martane
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2008, 11:17:22 PM »

Thanks for this. You've helped me semi-diagnose a problem I've been having with my new build.

Basically, I built my new Shuttle SX38P2 Pro the other day and things have been running well. I went out and bought Call of Duty 4 yesterday, and have been having problems running it. The time between playing and crashing varies. The max I've played COD4 constantly is about 30 minutes and the minimum is about 5 minutes.

I originally thought that it may be a CPU problem, but thanks to your post, I've found that my CPU doesn't appear to be the problem (in terms of temps anyway, although I think heat is the problem).



Are you able to help identify the other temps?

I now believe this may be a problem with the graphics card.

EDIT: I think Temp2 in SpeedFan is the graphics card. That screenshot was taken at idle. It sits around 55-60 when under heavy load.

Here's my spec for reference:

Shuttle SX38P2 Pro
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0 Stepping (2.4GHz 1066MHz) Socket 775 L2 8MB Cache
OCZ 2GB Kit (2x1GB) DDR2 800Mhz/PC2-6400 Memory CL4 Unbuffered ATI Certfified Dual Channel Kit
Sapphire ATi Radeon HD 3870 512MB GDDR4 PCI-E
Samsung SpinPoint HD501LJ 500GB SATAII Hard Drive 16MB Cache
LiteOn 20X SATA DVD±RW/RAM
Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2008, 01:17:53 AM »

I also had issues with COD4 and had a lengthy thread with Activision support. The game would crash on act 1 "Black out", I believe it was called. Same issue on two completely different builds. They asked that I uninstall daemon tools, speedfan, and alcohol 52 s; they were "known" to cause issues. I tested that statement on this build and they were sort of right. Installed cod before anything and it worked! Installed RivaTuner and it still worked. Installed SpeedFan and it STILL worked. Finally I can play single player mode. Have yet to try with Daemon installed.

It's strange that speedfan would list more temp sensors then Everest. Is that the most current version?
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2008, 01:25:57 AM »

As far as I'm aware, the version of Everest I have installed is the latest. If you could provide me a link to your current version that would be great.
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2008, 02:47:23 AM »

I just did a Google search and came up with this: http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Info/EVEREST-Ultimate-Edition.shtml

Try getting rid of some of that visual clutter by removing the 0 and negative temp readings, like Temp and Temp3. I would suspect that Temp2 is actually your chipset because SpeedFan can't read GPU temps unless I missed something. I have to use RivaTuner to supplement that logging.
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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2008, 03:32:24 AM »

Quote from: "LaserCobra" date="1202629643"
I just did a Google search and came up with this: http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Info/EVEREST-Ultimate-Edition.shtml

Try getting rid of some of that visual clutter by removing the 0 and negative temp readings, like Temp and Temp3. I would suspect that Temp2 is actually your chipset because SpeedFan can't read GPU temps unless I missed something. I have to use RivaTuner to supplement that logging.

Okay, I had a different version installed compared to the link you just posted.

As you suggested, Temp 2 appears to relate to the motherboard/chipset.

Any ideas how I'd resolve this in a SX38?
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2008, 07:25:51 AM »

I have an SX38P2 and Speed 01 is the internal 'smaller' fan on the ICE, Speed 02 is the 92mm 'external' fan, & speed 03 is what i call the Hard drive cooler fans and the top rear of the case.
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2008, 11:56:44 AM »

My issue doesn't appear to be isolated to COD4. The same locking up/auto-restarting has happened when running 3DMark03.

I suspect temperatures being the problem. I think I've been able to rule out the CPU as the culprit. The graphics card also appears to be operating normally. Catalyst Control Centre has the temperature in the high 60's when under load, but that seems to be normal.

The only thing I can think of is the chipset is overheating. Would reversing the ICE fans help with resolving this?
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2008, 03:25:38 PM »

Here's a couple of screenshots for anybody who is interested and may be able to give a hand.



Taken about 5 minutes after booting up.



Taken after about 10-15 minutes of playing COD4 (was able to play for about 20 minutes on my lunch break and it never locked up this time).
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2008, 08:14:53 PM »

Does you have a single slot GFX card? or does the GFX card vent outside the case?
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2008, 08:18:57 PM »

Quote from: "CheekyChester" date="1202778893"
Does you have a single slot GFX card? or does the GFX card vent outside the case?

Hi Chester. It's a dual slot 3870, so yes, the heat from the card is vented through the back.
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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2008, 05:22:48 AM »

Hi,
I have a Shuttle SB81 and have just installed SpeedFan and Everest Ultimate after reading this thread and am concerned about the REALLY high temperatures detected. Here is the story:
- SpeedFan detects five fans. I have determined that fan 1 is the CPU fan, fan 2 is the large fan that vents through the left hand side of the case and fan 3 is the PSU fan. Fans 4 and 5 are permanently recording 0 RPM. There are two more fans that vent through the rear of the case; they are both operating, but SpeedFan either does not detect them or they are in fact fans 4 and 5 and Speedfan cannot control them.
- With the fans under "SmartGuardian" control, the recorded temperatures are: GPU 85C, Motherboard 51C, CPU 53C, PWM 52C, HD0 53C, ACPI 46C. Only ACPI has a green tick; the rest have the "flame" symbol, which does not sound good to me.
- If I bring all of the fans under "Software Control" most of the temperatures come down rapidly, but the Shuttle sounds like a Boeing 747 and even after 30 minutes fans 1-3 are still operating at (or close to) full whack (3500-4200 RPM). The GPU and HD0 (mounted in the top front slot) are the slowest to cool down. In this mode, after 10 minutes, the temperatures are: GPU 72C, Motherboard 43C, CPU 25C, PWM 35C, HD0 50C, ACPI 46C. After about 20 minutes the GPU reaches 69C and does not cool down any more and is the only sensor still displaying the "flame" symbol.
- If I bring the fans individually under "Software Control" while leaving the rest under "SmartGuardian" control, the following happens: fan 1 CPU and PWM cool down, fan 2 CPU and Motherboard cool down, fan3 GPU and Motherboard cool down.

So, can anyone advise me on:
- The initial high temperatures; how dangerous are they for the kit? The Shuttle has been powered on 24x7 for almost 2 years and rarely hangs (when it does hang it seems to be related to the poor quality SATA or power cables mentioned in some other threads on this forum).
- What about fans 4 and 5 identified by SpeedFan and registering 0 RPM? Could they be the rear fans on the SB81 and if so why are they recording 0 RPM and always spin at the same rate.
- Why is the GPU operating at such a high temperature? Should it have its own fan and if so should it show up in SpeedFan?

Cheers,
Steve.
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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2008, 10:16:48 AM »

Welcome to the Forum.
I looked here: http://global.shuttle.com/download03.jsp?PI=82
There are LOTS of BIOS updates for your machine - several of them seem to make changes to temp/fan control/reporting
(I do wish the BIOS programming department a Shuttle would provide more than 3-4 words per item!)
Perhaps you should check your BIOS Version and see if an update would help.
I don't use speedfan - but from what I've read there is a "library" of settings that folks have used and posted for downloading, I don't know where it is.
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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2008, 10:25:14 AM »

Quote from: "Steve1955" date="1219742568"
So, can anyone advise me on:
- The initial high temperatures; how dangerous are they for the kit? The Shuttle has been powered on 24x7 for almost 2 years and rarely hangs (when it does hang it seems to be related to the poor quality SATA or power cables mentioned in some other threads on this forum).
- What about fans 4 and 5 identified by SpeedFan and registering 0 RPM? Could they be the rear fans on the SB81 and if so why are they recording 0 RPM and always spin at the same rate.
- Why is the GPU operating at such a high temperature? Should it have its own fan and if so should it show up in SpeedFan?
A few answers to you:

* usually the GPU can not controlled by SpeedFan. GPU temps differ widely, and as I have low-performance ATI cards, I have no comments comments for your grpahics card

* Fan 3 is not the PSU fan. PSU fan operates independently inside the PSU, and offers no control interface.

* Fan 3 is actually the noisy twin fans at the back top of the P chassis. They can be controlled by Speedfan.

* I used to have SP95Pv2 with the original P chassis. In that PC the Fan5 (actually the Speed 5) was in fact the brightness of the blue power led in front panel (0%= dark, 100% very bright). I never experimented enough to identify if Fan4/speed 4 meant anything.

* If you use Speedfan, set all the three controllable fans of ITFxxxx to "software controlled" mode, and remember to check the "remember" boxes...

* You should pay attention to step 10 in the guide: selecting which temp has impact on which fan/speed. Default config where every temp has impact on every speed is crazy. I have set CPU core temps to control CPU in and out fans, and then system temp to control back-top fan3 (the twin fans). All other boxes are cleared.

* Speedfan has no way really identify which temp actually means what expect those it directly gets from CPU and GPU. The system and CPU temps may also contain offsets etc. depending on the exact combination of hardware.

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In General, BIOS reports the temps wrongly. Different programs also give wildly different temp readings. Results depend a bit on the used chipset/CPU combination and also on the version of the softwares used. Down newest versions of Core Temp etc. and verify measurements.

At least with SP35P2 Pro and newer CPUs, Shuttles BIOS has been wrongly programmed regarding the temps as temp measurement depend on CPU model. Thus the automatic “smartfan” logic gets confused, and does not function well for that reason. Thatswhy the SmartGuardian (= BIOS-controlled) setting is not very good.

http://www.sudhian.com/index.php?/forums/viewpost/890909/
http://www.sudhian.com/index.php?/forums/viewthread/101666/#885102

I have been using Speedfan program for a few years now. I like it because it enables me to set separate logics for each fan. I have set the two CPU fans to only react to CPU temps, and the twin fans at the case’s back top to react only to general system heat. PSU fan can’t be controlled.

You might read my article about my SP35P2 config, which should be rather similar to yours.
My message about my own SP35P2 Speedfan config:
http://www.sudhian.com/index.php?/forums/viewpost/890912/
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2008, 08:02:02 AM »

Eastbay,
I checked the BIOS and it was 3 versions out of date, so I updated it and yes, there was some different fan behaviour.

Hnyman,
- You were right; fan 3 is the pair of rear fans, not the PSU fan.
- I have taken your advice and set the fans to "Software Controlled" and have set the individual components as follows:
GPU; rear only
MB; side and rear
CPU; CPU, side and rear
PWM; all (does this really matter?)
HD0; rear
ACPI; side and rear
Now all components apart from the GPU have lowered their temperatures to "green tick" or "blue arrow" level, but all 3 fans are running at 100% (3835, 3835 and 3516 RPM). I believe that part of the problem is that the GPU never gets below 69-70C so the sensor thinks it is too hot and is constatntly tring to cool it down with the rear fans, but why do the other fans keep running at full speed when the other compnents are cool enough?

Cheers for the advice,
Steve.
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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2008, 06:32:47 AM »

Sounds like you have made some progress.
Have you set the temp limits of each temperature "reasonably"? You need set the low-high limits for each temp you use in the configuration. Some temps may be displayed with offsets, so you should decide what are the "correct" value ranges for each temp you use. In the following message you see how for me the system temp "temp1" is ok compared with CPU core's temps, but temp2 (corresponding to CPU casing's temp sensor) is displayed 15'C too high. http://www.sudhian.com/index.php?/forums/viewpost/890915/

It may also be that you GPU temp is just reported wrongly. Have you verified that temp somehow?

I would still claim that you have too many temps connected to each fan, and Speedfan gets a bit confused.
For example,
* When you cool CPU by sucking air to it "CPU" and then blowing the hot air directly out of case "side", why do you need to control "rear" fan by CPU temp?
* What is difference between ACPI and MB temps? Why do you want to react to both of them? Most likely they are the same temp sensor, just reported through two different functionalities (ACPI BIOS and actual hardware-IO-chip).
* As the side fan only blows out CPU air, also the CPU intake fan should be controlled in the same rhytm. Now you have CPU outtake racting to different matters than CPU intake. And if I remember P chassis correctly, they are directly connected "like a tube".

I suggest that you expertiment a little and look for the nice temp graphs included in Speedfan, and try to really understand which temps move in tandem. Then you can eliminate some confusion from SF's logic.

As I explained, in my SP35P2 I simplified the configuration a lot in the end. CPU fans react only to CPU and rear fans only to general system temps.

EDIT  (14 Sep 2008): updated image of differing temp measurements:

(Real Temp says TjMax is 95’C and gets 3 degrees lower temps than Core Temp which also gets TjMax as 100’C...)
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