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« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2008, 03:45:58 PM » |
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A Personal History
By: An OldDummy
.............Ode to Microsoft..........
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Chapter 1
.........In the beginning
What great games have come out on Apples lately? Linux?
hmm...ever?
Chapter 2
......... Office work
What other than MS Office is the standard format for documents?
Is anyone here old enough to remember the headaches before there was a standard?
Chapter 3
......Progression
There are still command line devotees around but they are getting fewer and fewer.
Don't know of any Workgroup 3.1 disciples but could be some [They hide].
XP is in terminal mode now but will have its followers for a period of time.
Chapter 4
.......Finale...
Since Microsoft bailed out Apple just to have someone to compete with:
Apple has been shown to be the OS of choice for the people that don't have a clue of what is in their box.
That is the whole idea behind the hardware and software package combo named Apple.
Plug it in and it works. What a concept! With that idea comes the limitations that I assume you know.
Linux is fun to play with but in order to really use it in a multi-user setting everyone has to be very knowledgeable.
That is not my household, but, could be in some. My grandson is tired of Tux racer...he's 9.
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« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2008, 04:58:01 PM » |
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Dell and other OEM’s did the same thing with Win2k/Win9x when XP launched. I remember the articles back then, its like Deja vu. You see I don't remember it quite the same Reflex, nor do i remember the likes of Dell offering a previous version of windows due to outright demand - effectively boycotting the latest Windows Release. But moving on especially concerning Linux. I have downloaded a handful of Distro's to try on my new build before putting on Vista 64 proper. One nice feature of Linux is the LiveCD feature with some distro's, which gives you the ability to quickly check if the PC is ok before taking the time to install Windows. Unfortunately Unbuntu 7.10 wouldn't load completely and nor would PCLinuxOS_2007. The Only one that was mega quick in loading and worked fully was Slax 6. I agree with what Ash was saying about Linux. It is a great OS, but because it's free it has too many people (nature of the beast) pulling it in all directions. Even now you get Distro's that are user friendly, but equally there are plenty more distro's that are for the Geek. |
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« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2008, 05:35:25 PM » |
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A Personal History
What great games have come out on Apples lately?
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hmm...ever? Would you consider any of these Great? 4x4 EVO 2 4x4 Evolution AGON Activision Anthology Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings Age of Mythology Aki (computer game) Alchemy (video game) Alien Swarm Aliens versus Predator Aliens versus Predator 2 American McGee's Alice Ancient Domains of Mystery Angband Ankh: Heart of Osiris Apeiron Aquaria (video game) Armagetron Advanced Ashalii AssaultCube Atlantis Sky Patrol Avernum series Azada (video game) BZFlag Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal Bang! Howdy The Battle for Wesnoth Battlefield 1942 Bejeweled Black & White (video game) Black & White 2 Black & White: Creature Isle Bolo (computer game) Bone: Out from Boneville Bugdom 2 Burning Monkey CC Metro CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (computer game) Call of Duty Call of Duty 2 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Call of Duty: United Offensive Candy Crisis Caravel DROD Cars: Radiator Springs Adventures Championship Manager 4 Championship Manager: Season 03/04 Chess (application) Chessmaster The City Beneath Civilization IV: Warlords Civilization III Civilization III: Complete Edition Civilization IV Clan Lord Close Combat: First to Fight Cold War (computer game) Command & Conquer: Generals Command & Conquer: Generals – Zero Hour Commandos 2: Men of Courage Conquest of Elysium II The Continuum Crack Attack! Crossfire (computer game) Cube (video game) DEFCON (computer game) Darkwind: War on Wheels Darwinia (computer game) Deimos Rising Delta Force: Black Hawk Down Deus Ex Diablo II Diablo II: Lord of Destruction Diamond Crush Diner Dash Diner Dash: Flo On The Go Diner Dash: Hometown Hero Dominions 3: The Awakening Doom 3 Dope Wars Dr. Blob's Organism EVE Online Eat the Whistle Enemy Territory: Quake Wars Enigmo Escape Velocity Nova Europa Universalis II Europa Universalis III EverQuest Finding Nemo (video game) FizzBall FlOw The Fool and His Money Football Manager 2005 Football Manager 2006 Freeciv Freedom Force (computer game) Frenzic Frets on Fire Frozen Bubble GL Golf GLtron Galaxylife Gate 88 Giants: Citizen Kabuto Girlfriend of Steel 2 Gish (computer game) Glider PRO Global Conflict: Palestine Globulation 2 GNU Go Gridrunner++ The Guardian of Zarmallion Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock Gunroar Halo: Combat Evolved Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (video game) Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (video game) Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K.² Heroes of Might and Magic V Hidden Expedition Hidden Expedition Everest Hidden Expedition: Everest Hidden Expedition: Titanic Homeworld 2 Horse Isle (video game) Imperial Glory Inherit the Earth: Quest for the Orb James Bond 007: Nightfire Journey to Rooted Hold Kelly Slater's Pro Surfer Robin Hood: The Legend of Sherwood Legion Arena Lego Universe Lineage (computer game) Liquid War The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (video game) Lugaru Lux (computer game) Luxor (computer game) Luxor 2 MAngband Mac gaming Marble Blast Gold Marbol Max Payne Medal of Honor: Allied Assault MegaMek Minions of Mirth The Movies Myst Online: Uru Live Myst Online: Uru Live (Ages) Myst V: End of Ages Mystery Case Files Mystery Case Files: Huntsville Mystery Case Files: Madame Fate Mystery Case Files: Prime Suspects Mystery Case Files: Ravenhearst Mystery in London Myth (computer game series) N (game) Nanosaur Narcissu NetHack Netrek Neverball Neverwinter Nights Nexuiz No One Lives Forever 2: A Spy In H.A.R.M.'s Way No One Lives Forever: The Operative Noble Ape Oni (video game) Oolite (computer game) OpenArena OpenTTD Out of the Park Baseball PARSEC47 PeaceMaker (computer game) Penny Arcade Adventures: On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness Pillars of Garendall PlaneShift (video game) Plasma Pong Pop-pop Postal² Postal III PoxNora Project Nomads Puyo Pop Fever Quake 4 RHEM RHEM 2: The Cave RRootage Ratatouille (video game) Rayman 3: Hoodlum Havoc Red Faction Republic: The Revolution |
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« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2008, 05:35:48 PM » |
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Yeah, I do admit that windows is better for the masses, thats because it has the marketshare to tell devs what to do.
If you look at the features and abilities of the OS by itself though, OSX and Linux are lightyears ahead of vista. And all those reviewers who can vista with a passion cant be wrong.
I mean, when vista first came out it took a lot of effort to get it to work (first test machine at work was a case in point... 30mb free ram out of 2gb on bootup - ms says its superfetching our apps... hadn't installed anything yet though), this effort could have been spent setting up linux, and people would have got a better OS (though not necessarily a better experience/environment)
Its all about the needs of the user really.
Gaming = XP or Vista (in that order, depending on DX version)
Apps = XP or Vista (in that order, due to compatibility)
Security = Linux or OSX (again in that order)
Performance = Linux or XP (for example, beowulf clustering for 3d rendering)
Server = Linux. Period.
Graphic Design = OSX or XP
Programming = XP or OSX
Business = XP or Linux (linux is actually better for server/client model if you know what you're doing)
In these fields, you can see that windows (both flavors) has the Gaming and Applications fields. These happen to be where the marketshare is.
So windows will continue to dominate and be the "best all round solution"
As for the graphic design area though... do you know what would happen of the adobe creative suite were linux native? that would be some serious ownage there. Compiz cube with all your apps on each workspace (photoshop, imageready, dreamweaver, etc) would make for some hardcore productivity. Thats a bit of marketshare stealing right there.
As for gaming, if OSX took up some gaming love and allowed osx to run on windows, id say thats 10% marketshare overnight.
In comparison to all the other OSes out there, ignoring what runs what apps and games, Vista IS the worst OS. I dont care if you "like" it, from a technical standpoint its a fuck-up... a typical result of a company with too many departments doing too many different things. I still have not read one technical oriented review that gives vista praise. (would like to see some if you have links though)
BUT:
I am not a windows hater. I use a windows partition for my games. I actually like XP a lot, due to my litestep addiction. I am also not one of these "late adopter" retards who hate change for the sake of change. When the leaked XP beta's came out, I jumped on and never went back. I was actually still running a cracked beta a year into the release of XP. It was, and is, an excellent OS.
But Linux and OSX have come a loooooong way since then, and frankly, windows has NOT made the same kind of progress, no matter how you look at it.
People say "vista's launch is the same as xp... everyone will like it in the end"... NO. Its fucking not. XP's launch was never like this at all. XP did not still have problems after a year and a service pack that forced an entire first world country to ban its use in its government offices.
Vista is the new Windows ME. That is the only way to describe it.
Yes, some of you like vista... but I am going to make a statement right now, and I want you to remember it.
When Windows 7 comes out, and you switch to it, you are going to say "wow, I cant believe Vista was such a piece of shit compared to this".
And on this point: I look forward to Windows 7. In fact, I predict its going to be the next XP.
But to be honest... anything is better than vista, really.
-Ash
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« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2008, 05:42:22 PM » |
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Apple has been shown to be the OS of choice for the people that don't have a clue of what is in their box. Such comments come from someone who doesn't have a clue about Mac OS. hello hydran, hehe...I started on Apples, so in a sense your right. I stopped using apples before you were born probably. In college Apples were used exclusively in the math and [pc] computer rooms. That, of course, was because they were donated by Apple. (A good move on their part as it was the only thing that allowed them to stay around long enough to be bailed out by Microsoft,[imo].) Anyway, what do you feel was the reason for the combination of hardware and software being marketed and sold together in a proprietary package by the same company? I would guess things had to have changed some with the Intel inclusion but how much? |
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« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2008, 06:03:40 PM » |
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Gaming = XP or Vista (in that order, depending on DX version)
Apps = XP or Vista (in that order, due to compatibility)
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-Ash This is what drives sales. In time things will stop running on XP...and Vista. But I wouldn't equate Vista with Millennium. Vista is a whole new kernel, SP1 is a new kernel but it's mostly Vista. I'm not trying to say Vista is perfect...just a standard that is needed for progress. |
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« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2008, 06:09:35 PM » |
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Anyway, what do you feel was the reason for the combination of hardware and software
being marketed and sold together in a proprietary package by the same company?
I would guess things had to have changed some with the Intel inclusion but how much? If as you say, you're old enough to have used the Apple II you should know the answer. How many platforms were unbundled at that time Spectrum, BBC Micro, Amstrad CPC, Commodore 64/Amiga, Atari ST, Acorn Archimedes, Apple Macintosh? The whole change of direction was set in motion by IBM, and ulimately gave MS it's advantage. |
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« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2008, 06:57:13 PM » |
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If as you say, you're old enough to have used the Apple II you should know the answer.
hello Connor, Oh, trust me, I'm old enough. I'm not smart enough to remember everything or maybe even most things. But I do remember trying to do things that just couldn’t' be done because of no standard being in place. I also remember playing a 2D game in Dos called Gorilla that was pretty cool...back then for the "great" gfx. It was in the OS itself and when TAB was pressed a spreadsheet appeared, which looked like 1-2-3....[ehh...copyrights?] Nobody, or very, very few people, upgraded their pc's back then by changing gfx, memory etc. It was "black box" computing; you knew what went in and what came out but what happened inside who knows. basic programs were compiled scripts written by crazies like me to get work done in dbase. Most "real" work was done in assembly. But I didn't know it. "Objects" were your own libraries of reusable code that you saved on your own and were your coin of trade. Anyway, IBM thought, at one time, the pc [QDOS] was a worthless concept for the home...[AHHIII!!....then came the clones] ....they have been proved wrong. |
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« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2008, 08:43:54 PM » |
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Ash - Gotta disagree on server usage. Even as far back as NT4 there were some server tasks that were better on Windows than Linux as long as you locked the server down properly(for NT4 it was common to use it as a authentication server since it was light years faster than any Unix at the time). Currently its difficult to find a major corporation that isn't using Exchange, even if its paired with a Unix back end.
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« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2008, 08:46:09 PM » |
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« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2008, 08:54:51 PM » |
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« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2008, 08:56:25 PM » |
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Generally speaking there is just too much stated that has been incorrect in these last couple of pages to even begin to comment on. No, modern dual-core machines aren't slow with Vista. Yes, readyboost is unnecessary when you already have >1GB of RAM to begin with. Literally everytime you install a program 3rd-party manufacturers (QuickTime, Sun, Adobe, Synaptics, Logitech, NVidia, ATI, Dell, Compaq, Nero, Roxio, etcetera....) will have some useless app running in the background. All of your RAM is consumed by disk caches. The necessary RAM is instantly freed the nanosecond you launch an application. There's so much more that I could comment on. Generally on a live dvd mef, linux should have every driver there is for just about all the hardware a home pc (or whatever pc the distro is targeted at) could possibly have. ........... Bootup Windows in safe mode and you'd have the same thing. Before someone says they've crashed trying to boot in safemode, that's virtually always drive/memory/hardware/file-corruption related. There are also plenty of live windows CDs - see BartPE. Every piece of hardware is supported, but you only have access to their most basic of features. Safe Mode by the way inentionally tries to eliminate 3rd-party drivers so as to decrease the chance that incompatibilities will create fault. This is why "Safe Mode with Networking" is an option rather than a requirement. Also keep in mind that much of XP's size, as the Preinstallation Environment shows, is backups and caches. (because 3rd-party programs wreak havoc, overwriting files unnecessarily installing themselves as services and changing the registry all the time) The core OS itself is very, very lean, likely more-so than Linux. The only thing that I KNOW isnt supported is legacy geforce stuff (4mx, 3 and under) and most ati stuff (cos they are arrogant  ). Not much reasearch is required on parts compatibility for linux. You can do such a test yourself. Grab any live dvd of any home distro off the web and throw it in, reboot, and see what hardware works. You would be surprised. -Ash |
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« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2008, 09:12:29 PM » |
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No, modern dual-core machines aren’t slow with Vista. Yes they are Intuit - I'm typing this on one now. It happens to be a Dell 6400 laptop with a T2080 and 1GB of DDR2 ram (+ a Corsair 1GB "Turbo-Flash" Stick) I've reduced the processes running from 75 when shipped from Dell to less than 50 now and it still runs slower than my 3.4C Northwood with 1GB running windows XP home. I would say it's a good 50% slower and yet if you benchmark the two CPU's the T2080 benchmark is better. The T2080 is also "flatout" (ie within the power saving options) so Speedstep etc has been effectively disabled (short of thermal overload). The fact is Vista is a resource hungry Dog and that is borne out by market forces, ie DELL reintroducing XP due to popular demand from it's customers. I don't know (other on here) one person who's happy with it, other than it's a new shiny OS that Should be good and New means it's a Must have. |
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« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2008, 09:19:34 PM » |
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Yeah it was wikipedias list and I had to add another noteable missing game in. There's at least a couple more not there either.
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« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2008, 09:23:07 PM » |
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the cpu doesn't really enter into it, it's mainly just the ram
1gb on vista and you're not gonna have fun, 2gb and there isn't a hitch. i run vista on a down the the ground e4300 @ stock and 2gb cheap corsair ram and it is stupidly responsive fast and usable, 1gb ram on a q6600 @ 3.5ghz and i just gave up using the computer for games
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« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2008, 09:27:40 PM » |
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A Personal History
What great games have come out on Apples lately?
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hmm...ever? Would you consider any of these Great? 4x4 EVO 2 4x4 Evolution AGON Activision Anthology Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings Age of Mythology Aki (computer game) Alchemy (video game) Alien Swarm Aliens versus Predator Aliens versus Predator 2 American McGee's Alice Ancient Domains of Mystery Angband Ankh: Heart of Osiris Apeiron Aquaria (video game) Armagetron Advanced Ashalii AssaultCube Atlantis Sky Patrol Avernum series Azada (video game) BZFlag Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal Bang! Howdy The Battle for Wesnoth Battlefield 1942 Bejeweled Black & White (video game) Black & White 2 Black & White: Creature Isle Bolo (computer game) Bone: Out from Boneville Bugdom 2 Burning Monkey CC Metro CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (computer game) Call of Duty Call of Duty 2 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Call of Duty: United Offensive Candy Crisis Caravel DROD Cars: Radiator Springs Adventures Championship Manager 4 Championship Manager: Season 03/04 Chess (application) Chessmaster The City Beneath Civilization IV: Warlords Civilization III Civilization III: Complete Edition Civilization IV Clan Lord Close Combat: First to Fight Cold War (computer game) Command & Conquer: Generals Command & Conquer: Generals – Zero Hour Commandos 2: Men of Courage Conquest of Elysium II The Continuum Crack Attack! Crossfire (computer game) Cube (video game) DEFCON (computer game) Darkwind: War on Wheels Darwinia (computer game) Deimos Rising Delta Force: Black Hawk Down Deus Ex Diablo II Diablo II: Lord of Destruction Diamond Crush Diner Dash Diner Dash: Flo On The Go Diner Dash: Hometown Hero Dominions 3: The Awakening Doom 3 Dope Wars Dr. Blob's Organism EVE Online Eat the Whistle Enemy Territory: Quake Wars Enigmo Escape Velocity Nova Europa Universalis II Europa Universalis III EverQuest Finding Nemo (video game) FizzBall FlOw The Fool and His Money Football Manager 2005 Football Manager 2006 Freeciv Freedom Force (computer game) Frenzic Frets on Fire Frozen Bubble GL Golf GLtron Galaxylife Gate 88 Giants: Citizen Kabuto Girlfriend of Steel 2 Gish (computer game) Glider PRO Global Conflict: Palestine Globulation 2 GNU Go Gridrunner++ The Guardian of Zarmallion Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock Gunroar Halo: Combat Evolved Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (video game) Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (video game) Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K.² Heroes of Might and Magic V Hidden Expedition Hidden Expedition Everest Hidden Expedition: Everest Hidden Expedition: Titanic Homeworld 2 Horse Isle (video game) Imperial Glory Inherit the Earth: Quest for the Orb James Bond 007: Nightfire Journey to Rooted Hold Kelly Slater's Pro Surfer Robin Hood: The Legend of Sherwood Legion Arena Lego Universe Lineage (computer game) Liquid War The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (video game) Lugaru Lux (computer game) Luxor (computer game) Luxor 2 MAngband Mac gaming Marble Blast Gold Marbol Max Payne Medal of Honor: Allied Assault MegaMek Minions of Mirth The Movies Myst Online: Uru Live Myst Online: Uru Live (Ages) Myst V: End of Ages Mystery Case Files Mystery Case Files: Huntsville Mystery Case Files: Madame Fate Mystery Case Files: Prime Suspects Mystery Case Files: Ravenhearst Mystery in London Myth (computer game series) N (game) Nanosaur Narcissu NetHack Netrek Neverball Neverwinter Nights Nexuiz No One Lives Forever 2: A Spy In H.A.R.M.'s Way No One Lives Forever: The Operative Noble Ape Oni (video game) Oolite (computer game) OpenArena OpenTTD Out of the Park Baseball PARSEC47 PeaceMaker (computer game) Penny Arcade Adventures: On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness Pillars of Garendall PlaneShift (video game) Plasma Pong Pop-pop Postal² Postal III PoxNora Project Nomads Puyo Pop Fever Quake 4 RHEM RHEM 2: The Cave RRootage Ratatouille (video game) Rayman 3: Hoodlum Havoc Red Faction Republic: The Revolution 6 games there which "do it for me" |
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« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2008, 09:48:17 PM » |
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No, modern dual-core machines aren’t slow with Vista. Yes they are Intuit - I'm typing this on one now. It happens to be a Dell 6400 laptop with a T2080 and 1GB of DDR2 ram (+ a Corsair 1GB "Turbo-Flash" Stick) I've reduced the processes running from 75 when shipped from Dell to less than 50 now and it still runs slower than my 3.4C Northwood with 1GB running windows XP home. I would say it's a good 50% slower and yet if you benchmark the two CPU's the T2080 benchmark is better. The T2080 is also "flatout" (ie within the power saving options) so Speedstep etc has been effectively disabled (short of thermal overload). The fact is Vista is a resource hungry Dog and that is borne out by market forces, ie DELL reintroducing XP due to popular demand from it's customers. I don't know (other on here) one person who's happy with it, other than it's a new shiny OS that Should be good and New means it's a Must have. ...and yes, Windows 98 is "faster" than Linux Ubuntu 6, Apple OS 10, Windows XP and Windows Vista. Ms-DOS 6.2 hands-down will slaughter all of them. The difference is capability. You're not going to design a television that runs on Windows XP Home and you're not going to run the latest 64-bit DX10 game on XP. Right now we're running Vista as though it were XP. Of course it's going to seem slower. We're not even scratching the surface of it's capabilities and are running in 32-bit mode as opposed to 64. Are you running an inspiron 3500 ? https://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/my_systems_info/manuals?~ck=ln&c=us&l=en&lnki=0&s=genWeak drive performance ? Vista relies on good drive performance and plenty of RAM. If you have a half-way decent (DX9 Rx480 IGP w/ dedicated 128MB in my case) video adapter aero shouldn't make a difference one way or the other. OEMs often tweaked the XP power profiles (HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power & HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Control Panel\PowerCfg) to the point that Windows is sluggish. One of the first things I did with XP on my laptop after disabling all the OEM bloatware was overwrite their power profiles. (HKCU too) You're running 75 processes and exactly how many of them are run by Microsoft by default, and belong to Microsoft ? Unfortunately bloated registries also have a severe hit on system performance and is not as easily resolved as simply disabling software from loading. Try a fresh install minus all the OEM and adware crap. |
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« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2008, 10:36:01 PM » |
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Yeah it was wikipedias list and I had to add another noteable missing game in. There's at least a couple more not there either. hmmm...Thats quite a list. Is there a listing of Mac games ported to windows? |
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« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2008, 11:34:09 PM » |
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OD - That list may have been long but I'd say 1 in 10 of those games are ones anyone would have cared about.
BTW, I do agree that Vista runs best with 2GB of mem. Fortunatly you can have that for less than $40, even for a laptop.
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« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2008, 12:52:32 AM » |
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Yeah it was wikipedias list and I had to add another noteable missing game in. There's at least a couple more not there either. hmmm...Thats quite a list. Is there a listing of Mac games ported to windows? As I've spent a week or so discussing with Reflex, nearly all games these days use common middleware which runs on Mac/Windows/Linux/Xbox360/PS3/Wii The choice to turn it on or not, is down to the Game Developers, the Studios and the publishers. EA has now committed to joint Mac/Windows releases (although the first 6 Mac games were slightly late) One of the problems suggested on Wikipedia is that many game developers choose not to port to mac (Valve are very clear on this) so the Publisher gets another developer to do the port who is unable to secure a license for the middleware and the Port falls through. The other problem with Mac Games is that many retailers don't stock them, or give them much shelf space. Significant games that started on the Mac include Myst, Marathon2,Myth, Oni, and technically Halo (after the MS purchase on Bungie they swapped to Xbox and the Mac version took 4 years to materialise.) |
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« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2008, 02:45:11 AM » |
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........... the novelty would be over and Apple is a far more sinister company than MS ever was.... You might be right. Many people think of Apple as this "warm and fuzzy" type of company. Nothing could be farther from reality. While neither of them is lilly white I would fear what Apple would be if they had MS size and power. ........... They just make such damn sexy hardware and an operating system that nothing else gets close to IMHO. iirc Jobs was the gentleman that ran the company into the ground last time. [MS helped of course] But that is one talented person. Marketing, spotting talent and running with it.... just an innovator is one way to describe him. He also has a great eye for style and It shows. OD |
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hugh
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« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2008, 02:58:42 AM » |
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........... They just make such damn sexy hardware and an operating system that nothing else gets close to IMHO.p umjmmm, i've yet to see a SINGLE piece of hardware that i'd buy over the competitors be it mp3, laptop, pc, and i've been around osx etc, and i'd use vista every day of the week, i just can't handle osx, not a fan but again, sexy hardware, it's white... get a grip.. other than that it's fucking junk with a pricetag for the rich and famous |
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« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2008, 04:28:01 AM » |
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Generally speaking there is just too much stated that has been incorrect in these last couple of pages to even begin to comment on. No, modern dual-core machines aren't slow with Vista. Yes, readyboost is unnecessary when you already have >1GB of RAM to begin with. Literally everytime you install a program 3rd-party manufacturers (QuickTime, Sun, Adobe, Synaptics, Logitech, NVidia, ATI, Dell, Compaq, Nero, Roxio, etcetera....) will have some useless app running in the background. All of your RAM is consumed by disk caches. The necessary RAM is instantly freed the nanosecond you launch an application. There's so much more that I could comment on. Generally on a live dvd mef, linux should have every driver there is for just about all the hardware a home pc (or whatever pc the distro is targeted at) could possibly have. ........... Bootup Windows in safe mode and you'd have the same thing. Before someone says they've crashed trying to boot in safemode, that's virtually always drive/memory/hardware/file-corruption related. There are also plenty of live windows CDs - see BartPE. Every piece of hardware is supported, but you only have access to their most basic of features. Safe Mode by the way inentionally tries to eliminate 3rd-party drivers so as to decrease the chance that incompatibilities will create fault. This is why "Safe Mode with Networking" is an option rather than a requirement. Also keep in mind that much of XP's size, as the Preinstallation Environment shows, is backups and caches. (because 3rd-party programs wreak havoc, overwriting files unnecessarily installing themselves as services and changing the registry all the time) The core OS itself is very, very lean, likely more-so than Linux. The only thing that I KNOW isnt supported is legacy geforce stuff (4mx, 3 and under) and most ati stuff (cos they are arrogant ). Not much reasearch is required on parts compatibility for linux. You can do such a test yourself. Grab any live dvd of any home distro off the web and throw it in, reboot, and see what hardware works. You would be surprised. -Ash Intuit: Im talking full fledged operation drivers. As for my comment about non supported things, that just means those cards wont run compiz 'out of the box'... you need to go to the web to download the drivers. It would be like booting up windows the first time with all the latest nvidia/mobo/sata/audio drivers all installed and ready to go. No, its not the same thing as safe mode. Not even close. Please refrain from commenting on something unless you have tried it, and used it. -Ash |
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« Reply #49 on: February 26, 2008, 08:57:44 AM » |
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