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toru173
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« on: May 18, 2009, 09:12:30 AM »

Ever since I first saw the Shuttle K45 I've wanted to base a build around one. After a fair bit of research I discovered that although the stock motherboard had limited futureproofing the mounting points were in fact standard mini-ITX, as was the rear panel. Coupled with some very interesting mini-ITX boards coming out (or forecast to) at around the same time, I was hooked.

Unfortunately, real life got in the way. The original K45 went out of production, superseded by the K45SE. Although it retained the same cute formfactor I lost out on the classic shuttle clean lines - ugly optical drive on the front, front mounted ports. I desperately searched online and local computer stores, trying to find one in stock. With none available I resorted to ringing shuttle directly, begging for any old stock or even a replacement face plate to retrofit the -SE model.

It was this call that lead me to Shuttle Sales Manager, Vance Chang. After patiently listening to my explanation he agreed to sell me a K45B - the business model, with integrated ICE and, blessedly, the plain faceplate. After discussing shipping and sending money internationally, he suggested he bring it to me personally at CeBIT Australia. A deal was struck and I came home last Thursday with my brand new Shuttle K45B.

After a couple of days off to study for an exam, I attacked the shuttle with gusto. In order to make the project more affordable I've decided to do the upgrades piecemeal. The first step is to replace the stock motherboard with my selected mini-ITX board, then upgrade the PSU and so on. The motherboard chosen to replace the stock Shuttle mobo is the Zotac 9300-ITX wifi, with 4GB of Patriot memory and an E5200 using the stock Intel cooler (for space reasons).

Removing the stock mobo and fitting the new ITX board was a little difficult, but no more so than any of my other SFF builds. Being a Shuttle virgin I was a little disappointed at the flimsiness of the outer shell and the poor (orange-peel effected) paint job, but then the K45 was always meant to be a budget model, wasn't it? I suppose I can always repaint it later! The front faceplate is amazing for something made of plastic and I don't regret for a second the effort it took to get the plain look. Interestingly enough, the front panel connector matches perfectly with the header on the ITX motherboard, something I hadn't considered when planning at all. A quick trip to the store to get a 12V P4 extender and the K45Beastie was up and running memtest, passing with flying colours! I'll take some pictures of it once I get new batteries for my digital camera, and do some quick temperature,performance and  and sound testing once I've installed W7 RC.

All in all the only problem I've encountered is that the rear faceplate is about 1mm too high to line up properly with the ports on the LHS (but fine on the right?), and the stock PSU limits the hight of any CPU cooler drastically. Given that I only paid AUD120 for the barebones I am completely happy - a standard mini-ITX case usually runs for at least double that.

Pictures to come, and more modding as the project progresses!
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Maturin
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2009, 01:35:47 PM »

Excellent and innovative idea, thanks for the post! So the Ice Genie wouldn't happen to work with a standard mini-ITX board would it?
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2009, 07:27:34 PM »

only issue i could think of is that the cpu socket might be in the wrong place i.e the heatsink might stick way out over the end fo the baord etc.

got any pics Cheesy:D
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toru173
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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2009, 09:03:31 PM »

The ICE unit is going homeless at the moment - hugh is correct in that the CPU socket is in the wrong place. It's actually underneath the PSU, so the CPU cooler needs to be particularly short. I've found that the stock Intel cooler only just fits.

The K45Beastie has been running overnight just sitting in the BIOS health screen, with temps on the NB getting dangerously high. I've read that this is a problem for this board but I'll have to see what I can come up with to fix it. Pay day on Wednesday, so the next installment isn't far off. I'll hunt for batteries for my camera later today, and hopefully get some good snaps in.

Incidentally, after posting this I thought it might be better suited to the modding section. If anyone with the power feels it's better over there, please move the thread
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2009, 01:30:43 PM »

I was also thinking of switching mobo with Zotac 9300 but all mitx mobos have cpu socket a bit on right, as normal atx mobos, so it is not same as shuttle k45 mobo, which have it in the middle. that is why ice won't work. The only one will work is stock cooler or I beliebe that was Akasa which did something similar, low profilce cooler.
There is a way out of this problem - pico PSU - then original PSU will go away and there will be a space for new cooler...
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2009, 01:36:42 PM »

Quote from: "toru173" date="1242695011"
Incidentally, after posting this I thought it might be better suited to the modding section. If anyone with the power feels it's better over there, please move the thread

Moved to the modding section with a link from the SFF section Smiley

Look forward to pics sounds like a interesting project.
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2009, 11:49:03 PM »

Pics are on the way, I promise! Picking up the new PSU today (Shuttle PC60, 300W silentX) - when I fit it I'll take some pictures and do a bit of a more detailed post. Having trouble with temps on the NB, I'm seeing 80 with max cooling. Not sure what's causing it but the NB sink feels a little loose. WRT the cooler - I'm using the stock intel core duo, but silverstone make a low profile 775 cooler now - the NT07-775.

Thanks for the move!
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2009, 02:02:13 PM »

Up until now my posts have been heavily text based, but now... PICTURES!

First of all I am sorry for the poor quality. They've been taken on my camera phone (couldn't get the real camera to work), and with horrible lighting. Nevertheless, they ought to give a basic idea of what's going on.

As I said, I was in the process of replacing the stock 100W PSU with a Shuttle PC60 SilentX 300W unit. The replacement was relatively painless, and has solved some POSTing issues I was having. As it stands I still need the P4 12V AUX extension cable, but I've gained a heap of other hdd molex connectors as well as a PCIe power connector. All in all, a very worthwhile upgrade for only AUD125!

All the images can be seen at my flickr set, or just have a look below for a few

View from the front:



The motherboard I'm using, along with the ram.



The new PSU, compared to the stock



Finally, the new PSU fitted




Replacing the TIM on the NB with AS5 seems to have helped immensely, currently idling at around 67/68 degrees vs 85-88 before. Still room for improvement though...
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2009, 04:54:03 AM »

Cool mod. I wish they made an adapter and faceplate to use the slim notebook DVD drives. That would free up a ton of room in these things. Just for reference I have a fanless 9400GT and it idles at 61C. Since this has the same GPU it looks like you are getting close.
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2009, 01:26:00 PM »

Quote from: "Darth Harley" date="1243500843"
Cool mod. I wish they made an adapter and faceplate to use the slim notebook DVD drives. That would free up a ton of room in these things.

They do, it's called the K45SE - I chose the plain faceplate model because I have plans for the interior, and I like the seamless look of the plain faceplate. I have a couple of external CD drives lying around but I've never really needed them, beyond installing things.

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Just for reference I have a fanless 9400GT and it idles at 61C. Since this has the same GPU it looks like you are getting close.

I'm talking about the northbridge, which contains an embedded GPU. I'm sure your 9400GT has a much larger heat sink, even if it is fanless ^_^

Thanks for your interest in the project. Next step is to do something about that cooling, and maybe install an operating system...
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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2009, 09:48:24 AM »

Hi,

I am really interested in your mod.  I ordered a Zotac 9300 (without wifi) before seeing your post. The CPU seems to be really stuck to the PSU when looking at your picture.  I will tell you how i feel with it when i get my mobo.
Thanks for your review.

EDIT : Waiting for the new Scythe Big Shuriken heatsink now, i hope it will save space with the PSU.
see http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/13942/1/
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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2009, 01:46:42 PM »

Quote from: "Darth Harley" date="1243500843"
Cool mod. I wish they made an adapter and faceplate to use the slim notebook DVD drives. That would free up a ton of room in these things. Just for reference I have a fanless 9400GT and it idles at 61C. Since this has the same GPU it looks like you are getting close.

Also, they do sell the slim drive faceplate separately.  Comes with the drive adapter, as well.  20 bucks.




Newegg Shuttle Slim Drive Faceplate
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Darth Harley
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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2009, 05:31:24 PM »

Thanks, I saw that on Newegg when I was looking over the Shuttles. I think I'm getting the SP45H7 since I can reuse most of my existing parts and not have to mod anything. I tried the SP35P2 but was unhappy with the fan noise. The newer model has 2 fewer fans and it looks like it would be easier to swap the PSU fan if needed.
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toru173
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2009, 02:38:56 AM »

Fan noise is currently a major bugbear, but given that none of the fans are stock it's entirely my fault ^_^ I'll be looking into it when I fix the NB cooling, along with some other things
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