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« on: September 06, 2010, 09:15:35 PM »

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What the hell ever happened to free speech. OBAMA stands for One Big Ass Mistake America…..
Respect the office but not the man.

 Well agree or not this country (USA) is going to the dogs , many of you aren't old enough to remember a day when honor met something and a mans word stood for something , we took a pledged to the flag and prayed to God before class every day at school , and were able to spank our kids behind and not worry about someone poking their nose in. We could speak with out fear of retaliation.
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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2010, 08:00:09 AM »

Former President Junior crossed the line when he tried to tell us that the US Military and Intelligence could blockade, bomb and thoroughly infiltrate and spy on a nation for over a decade and not render them completely defenseless... that our military was incompetent and intelligence incompetent (despite already having all the goods on the 9/11 terrorists and putting that before Rice)... that Iraq was this IMMEDIATE threat that required action or else face retaliatory strikes from Hussein using his Weapons of Mass Destruction... either directly or via Al'Qeada.  Iraq was a preemptive strike... remember that ?!?!?

Basically I was showing Junior what he showed the American People... a lack of honor and respect.  I still respected his abilities, (he was never an idiot like so many claimed,) but not his word and not his character.  (Ironically the people and some Congress for blindly believing all that however... are the true idiots.)

I don't see anything even remotely comparable happening with our current President.  He told us from the beginning what Afghanistan was about, that it would be difficult and that there was no magic bullet.  He never told us that there would be roses at our soldiers' feet, or exclaimed "mission accomplished" on a big aircraft carrier.  He told us similar about the state of our economy; that recovery will not occur instantly and will take time.  Time and time and time again, he explained to the American People what occurred during the Great Depression, and made it clear that his Administration, side-by-side with the US's best economic minds and historians, would not mimic the mistakes of the past.  But repeating the mistakes of the past is EEXXAACCTTLLYY what the opposition is advocating in their repeated calls to cease stimulus spending, cease investing in American education, infrastructure, research and development, DEMAND innovation and encourage companies to compete from an international perspective.  STOP SPENDING STOP SPENDING STOP SPENDING! is all they keep saying in one form or another but that is exactly what the Government did in response to circumstances surrounding the Great Depression.  While there is a certain logic to that reaction, those who don't learn from their history are doomed to repeat it.  Hypocritically, they keep saying "stop spending," but didn't have any problem with all the records set during their reign, and don't see fit to acknowledge that reducing Government income, is the same as spending.  (nevermind that they'll never actually reduce spending... but will do things like exclude the wars from their budgets... a practice the current Admin ceased)

Folks keep harping on how bad things are however people voted the way they did in 2008 because it became ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that matters would be much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much worse under Junior's second Administration... Mr. "stay the course II" McCain.  

We have one of the most intelligent, articulate, competent and well-meaning people we could've ever asked for in office.  Someone who decided to take the reigns at one of the nation's WORST times in history; two Wars, massive budget imbalances, faltered economy with a collapsing banking and currency system, loss of WorldWide respect for the Presidency, etc, etc, etc.  Yet all we can seem to do is whine whine whine about how utterly evil the man is, how what he's doing is wrecking the nation's prospects while at the very same time not providing any alternative, viable and intelligent answers that themselves, would stand up to any amount of scrutiny.
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2010, 08:17:15 AM »

...and the main reason I distinguish Former President Junior from Former President Bush, is because one was incompetent (and down right disrespectful) and the other very competent and very respectful.  Junior's Father was a good President.  I can't judge Junior as a Man... I have no idea what kind of a man he is/was... only on his word and his job.  So this isn't only a Democrat vs Republican thing, both sides have their faults.  Anyone who pretends that one or the other is without fault isn't much or any better than those they're faulting.
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2010, 01:14:49 PM »

The USA isn't alone on this, the UK is just as bad. I've been reading up a heck of a lot on common law and such of late, and it is scarily interesting. For example my legal person was created through fraudulent contracts, by all rights i am lawfully allowed to possess any firearm i can get my hands on, in the UK, and drive untaxed etc. Lots more reading to do before i go taking any steps though.
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2010, 02:10:53 PM »

Don't fall for it Hugh.  Corruption in Government is nothing new and the current Congress heads and subsequent Administration has done more to help make that an issue + curb some of that, versus previous Administrations.  http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-ethics-20100804,0,1659148.story

As far as freedoms, these same folks whining about nothing are the same folks who had nothing to say about the casket ban and Obama overturning that.  They claim to be "THE" Patriots slothing all over the American flag but don't even give a hoot about "freedom of the press" and being able to honor our dead as they come back home.  Also, hadn't seen so much media footage of the on-ground war efforts since the original Gulf War circa 1993.  Absolutely beautiful !

What's interesting (or not) is folks behave as though they expect the President to single-handedly right more than a century worth of preexisting wrongs overnight.  (miserable failure - January '09, and despite the hugely SHORTENED list of accomplishments)

But the reality is, they don't *really* expect the impossible and neither was an overnight solution ever promised. (quite the opposite)  They don't expect the impossible and in fact, are hoping, actively seeing to it that the Democrats are portrayed as failures.  (Republican congress members constantly sitting on hands)  This is despite that he's been among the, if not THE most productive Presidents in history.  Don't go for the old "okeedoke".  These same folk had nothing to say about the largely squandered and unaccounted for, $1 Billion stimulus built and rushed through Congress in around 30 days under the prior Administration, but have everything to say the current stimulus which alone has more oversight, and scrutiny than all of the large military spending projects and prior stimulus combined, under the prior Administration.   All the belly-aching, whining and other about conditions that were created under prior administrations, and have both improved under the current Administration, and would've clearly been worse under the opposing Administration, is simply nothing more than scape-goatism.  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32545640  <-- heightened with a bit of blacklash in many cases
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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2010, 08:31:44 AM »

Intuit - all very insightful points, but working "in the system" I have just one point of my own to raise - that it's not always necessarily corruption that's the issue - it's competition.

Whether it's competing for votes or competing for a majority - competition creates a situation where people will do the absolute worst thing possible for their constituency, just so that they have an excuse to make the other side look bad.

It's a serious problem.
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2010, 11:55:50 AM »

True!  Anyone who can't raise money to compaign (with exception to folks like Perot) is wasting their time.   Unfortunately "special interest" money has strings attached.  But that's another thing that our current President has been more successful at than any prior... raising cash-flow directly from voters at nearly all income levels and backgrounds.
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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2010, 12:53:44 PM »

Special interest money does have strings attached, but a lot of the time, those strings aren't really strings, they're just a fact of life - that you trust your supporters who give money to you and will usually believe them over other people. Now I'm not making a blanket statement here by any means, just offering an insight to hopefully provide a different perspective. Republicans receiving a lot of money from oil and gas interests (for example) will usually trust the oil and gas companies are acting in good faith & in the best interests of the economy. A lot of the times, the trust is unwarranted - BP anyone?

On the other hand of course there are back room deals going on, and dirty money changing hands. Jack Abramoff is a prime example of that. But the level of this sort of corruption is nowhere near where it was during the time of the political machines of Daley and Tweed.
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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2010, 01:39:20 PM »

I'll say i agree, but i must admit a fair bit of this is going straight over my head i'm afraid. All i know is i'm mighty interested in this freeman-of-the-land idea now that i'm slowly educating myself on just how badly we're getting screwed over. Everything about the UK court system is about money money money money, and nothing about equality. There is a famous singer or actor or someone who was arrested and found guilty of posession of cannabis in the UK, he was "forced" to pay money into a victim fund, sorry, who was the victim? They'd have to charge me with contempt before i paid that out, and even then i'd refuse.
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2010, 02:52:28 AM »

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We have one of the most intelligent, articulate, competent and well-meaning people we could’ve ever asked for in office.  Someone who decided to take the reigns at one of the nation’s WORST times in history; two Wars, massive budget imbalances, faltered economy with a collapsing banking and currency system, loss of WorldWide respect for the Presidency, etc, etc, etc.  Yet all we can seem to do is whine whine whine about how utterly evil the man is, how what he’s doing is wrecking the nation’s prospects while at the very same time not providing any alternative, viable and intelligent answers that themselves, would stand up to any amount of scrutiny.

I doubt in your eyes he can do anything bad. That is that blind following, as with the president campaign, people crying, going crazy, since he will change everything! (Or like when Bush when standing on the ruins of 9-11, people again just blind following, believing Bush would protect the lives and freedom of the people.)
So far he's more a guy protecting the big powers / banks / wallstreet. And nothing changed that much really, only the debt grew bigger and the government got larger.
It's like moving the problems to the future, and when it comes back, it will get worse. And when that happens, where the people are  in 2 camps (divided), meaning.. big problems.
The people shoud pick the people's side, not the democrats or the republicans.. they should know it isn't that different, the same deal. It's a show.
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2010, 11:44:28 PM »

Salamander is a mind reader.  Great... well let me try.

"In your mind, anyone who sees good in the President is a blind follower."

See, works both ways Salamander... but here's the difference.  I provided reasoning and examples... one's which you've conveniently excised to make your non-point.  Please try again... but with a relevant portion, if not the full quote next time.
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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2010, 02:18:33 AM »

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Salamander is a mind reader.  Great... well let me try.

"In your mind, anyone who sees good in the President is a blind follower."

See, works both ways Salamander... but here's the difference.  I provided reasoning and examples... one's which you've conveniently excised to make your non-point.  Please try again... but with a relevant portion, if not the full quote next time.

What I mean is, the people who followed Bush blindly are not that different than the ones following Obama now. But the people are now basicly in 2 camps, against eachothers, blaiming eachothers and so on.
Sure Obama is as a person not bad, but as Bush, perhaps even more then Bush a puppet.

You said; ''whine about how utterly evil the man is'', well that was the same with Bush, right?
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2010, 08:47:01 AM »

The reason it's labeled "whining" is because there are no cogent arguments behind their statements.

Re 'blind following,' you have some of that with any and every President; more related to the position of being President than anything.  THere were folks who stood by Nixon, even.  (G. Gordon Litty)

As any good leader does, he uses his resources, regularly bringing in and seeking out the advice of individual experts in, around, available and unavailable to him.   (such as http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/06/AR2009020600739.html )  Heavily influenced by competition in some instances perhaps, such as some of the tit-for-tat back-and-forth non-sense between some of the more radical statements from Republicans, but a "puppet," !?  Hardly.  Like it or not, the Presidency isn't a Dictatorship.  He, Junior, any and everyone must make both moves and compromises to get there, and also be able to achieve anything while working there.  

For many though, it's not necessarily being blind versus some portion of the President's stances being in alignment.  Many folks after 9/11 for instance actually believe that they want a WWIII/Crusade against certain theocratic Governments and are perfectly willing to overlook the raw facts and other policy disagreements in an attempt to achieve that goal.

Under President Junior, I saw the spending as dangerous, devaluing the dollar and for a while it seemed we were headed the route of the Nuevo Peso.  Add to that cOnstant reports about inside contracting deals with former employers, $500 toilet seats, contractors charging the Govt for missing, abondoned and non-existent equipment... and with no promises for improving and resolving such matters... or even holding some of these contractors fully responsible.  All they did were slap-on-the-wrist fines... with continued and renewed contracts.

Under President Obama I see the spending as necessary; saving what's left of the automobile industry, investing in infrastructure such as roads, bridges, that creates and saves jobs directly; investments with both immediate and far reaching impact.  Drawing back spending is a natural reaction and what we did leading into the what is now known as "THE GREAT" Depression.  We got out of it, partly by doing what we're doing now.

Yes, deficit spending is still bad, but matters in this case, will be far worse without; and so we're left with little choice.  Once we work our way out of the "recession" (no time soon) then I expect the Government to make more of a serious effort to reduce deficit spending. This is a promise made by our current President.  Like all prior Presidents who have made the promise, he'll unfortunately very likely be out of office before the nation is in a position to follow through on that promise.  As is now, they're also working to make huge inroads on reducing wasteful and "unnecessary" expenditures.  But none of these things are possible overnight.  We're talking about making heavy changes and modifications to huge organizations and programs that have existed for many decades.  Sure, it could be achieved overnight.  But if it's going to be done right, it should take some time.
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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2010, 08:54:42 AM »

...and by the way, not ever have I personally ever accused Junior of being a puppet.  Whether or not he is/was, is irrelevant.  I may be a puppet to Jane Doe, but in the end, that doesn't excuse me from my actions; especially if I say for example, go and murder someone.
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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2010, 12:12:28 PM »

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The reason it's labeled "whining" is because there are no cogent arguments behind their statements.

Re 'blind following,' you have some of that with any and every President; more related to the position of being President than anything.  THere were folks who stood by Nixon, even.  (G. Gordon Litty)

As any good leader does, he uses his resources, regularly bringing in and seeking out the advice of individual experts in, around, available and unavailable to him.   (such as http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/06/AR2009020600739.html )  Heavily influenced by competition in some instances perhaps, such as some of the tit-for-tat back-and-forth non-sense between some of the more radical statements from Republicans, but a "puppet," !?  Hardly.  Like it or not, the Presidency isn't a Dictatorship.  He, Junior, any and everyone must make both moves and compromises to get there, and also be able to achieve anything while working there.  

For many though, it's not necessarily being blind versus some portion of the President's stances being in alignment.  Many folks after 9/11 for instance actually believe that they want a WWIII/Crusade against certain theocratic Governments and are perfectly willing to overlook the raw facts and other policy disagreements in an attempt to achieve that goal.

Under President Junior, I saw the spending as dangerous, devaluing the dollar and for a while it seemed we were headed the route of the Nuevo Peso.  Add to that cOnstant reports about inside contracting deals with former employers, $500 toilet seats, contractors charging the Govt for missing, abondoned and non-existent equipment... and with no promises for improving and resolving such matters... or even holding some of these contractors fully responsible.  All they did were slap-on-the-wrist fines... with continued and renewed contracts.

Under President Obama I see the spending as necessary; saving what's left of the automobile industry, investing in infrastructure such as roads, bridges, that creates and saves jobs directly; investments with both immediate and far reaching impact.  Drawing back spending is a natural reaction and what we did leading into the what is now known as "THE GREAT" Depression.  We got out of it, partly by doing what we're doing now.

Yes, deficit spending is still bad, but matters in this case, will be far worse without; and so we're left with little choice.  Once we work our way out of the "recession" (no time soon) then I expect the Government to make more of a serious effort to reduce deficit spending. This is a promise made by our current President.  Like all prior Presidents who have made the promise, he'll unfortunately very likely be out of office before the nation is in a position to follow through on that promise.  As is now, they're also working to make huge inroads on reducing wasteful and "unnecessary" expenditures.  But none of these things are possible overnight.  We're talking about making heavy changes and modifications to huge organizations and programs that have existed for many decades.  Sure, it could be achieved overnight.  But if it's going to be done right, it should take some time.

Basicly you are right, but what the previous president did wrong in many, he (Obama) used it to get votes. Be sure, change, change we all believe in! which says; NOTHING!, as with Bush he got great speach writers and money/power on his back. FREEDOM, FREEDOM!, axis of evil and so on, same thing. Anyone could see which candidate would win, beforehand, I could, easy! If you read that link again and a bit closer, you still can see his most important advisors are mainly wallstreet.

But here, yea just some youtube links to get (maybe) you out of that dream, that Obama is really not that different, that he really also not here is for 'the people'! They got him in the pocket.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q&feature=player_embedded#!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
(not agreeing with all, but still it's really not that bad).

New Orleans, still not rebuild but money for these wars and a new stupid big twin tower in New York being build.. states in the US are basicly (most of them) bankrupt, they should make new roads and bridges right? 1 out of 8 americans using food staps, 1 out of 4 kids using food stamps, just face it they are not there for you or me (the people!). 1% from the people in the US got 90% of the money/wealth..

Basicly how we all learned (on school etc) how bad communism was, we are still blind how bad capitalism is. Just the same but the opposite, and just as bad really.

Also when you don't have the money to start wars, then you do, then after when the economy at home gets hits (for a part of these wars), they just spend more, and after this spending money, and it's still not growing as it should be, it just gets worse, with the  debt they created. With what you said, is ok if it all goes according plan, small change it goes like they want it IMO.
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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2010, 12:35:58 PM »

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...and by the way, not ever have I personally ever accused Junior of being a puppet.  Whether or not he is/was, is irrelevant.  I may be a puppet to Jane Doe, but in the end, that doesn't excuse me from my actions; especially if I say for example, go and murder someone.

Sorry I mostly don't speak things personally. So this puppet part I didnt said because of you.

Lesson; don't take things personally especially with politics today!
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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2010, 07:40:41 PM »

I agree with your position on war funding, our priorities in general and how utterly backward it is.  Again, our prior Ignimistration excluded war funding from their budgets were-as our current Administration, overturned that practice.  So that's a start, at least.

It's quite common for some folk to label Junior 'a puppet' to Cheney, and understood that you weren't necessarily referring to myself; nor did I take it personally.  But none-the-less wanted you to understand that I fundamentally and principally disagree with that point of view.  As President Obama put it, "The Buck Stops HERE."   But there is a reality to the fact that TeaPublicans are trying to bring him down on the very problems they worked to facilitate.  (and he's barely past 1.5 years in office)

So if you can't knock down, "equate"... seems to be the going theme here.  

Basically, I don't agree with your comparisons between Junior and Obama.  Obama didn't/doesn't require or strictly rely on speech writers; and has written his own books.  Our current President also never used divisive tactics and phrases such as "Axis of Evil," "For US or against US," "God told me to send the troops to Iraq," etc, etc.  Our President ran on a platform of yes, criticizing past decisions but ALSO providing verifiable ANSWERS to counter those decisions.  YouTube all the Presidential debates for those.  Remember him flying to Europe and the Middle-East with messages of respect and unity ?  Remember him pushing his economic agenda abroad, with the full knowledge that it is a global economy ?  The fact remains, no one can be an expert on everything.  In order to understand the mess that was created, and develop permanent solutions to the problems, you MUST rely on those that best understand the criteria.  If for I didn't like the way Widget Corporation was run, then went and fired all the managers, then end result would be a disaster far worse than any of the fired management were responsible for.  So yes, the people that created the mess, are indeed SOME of his advisors.  They are an asset, still.  As far as New Orleans, mainly it's just the lower, most exposed part that remains in shambles.  That wasn't built overnight, nor can it, nor will it be restored overnight.  It would be senseless to rebuild it, prior to having some level of "protection" in place, that inspires it's residents with enough confidence to relocate there.  As it stands now, you couldn't pay folks to relocate there, simply because the levies are not yet complete.  (to be completed in the next year or two IIRC)  Also, one thing you have to remember about Americans, is the fact that our standard for "poverty," is actually luxury for most of the world's populations.  Looking at all these news reports, one thing that I constantly notice about folks on stamps, is the fact that a significant portion of them are clinically overweight.  The lot of folks on public assistance do have MP3 players, PlayStations, music collections, televisions, a car, etc.
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2010, 09:24:04 PM »

More information....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39271659/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/
See the video at the end of that article.

http://zfacts.com/p/1159.html#8593
Does an okay job of reiterating some of the points that the President has hit on over the past 18+ months.
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2010, 04:38:35 PM »

I can't disagree with you (although even when they got tv's, playstations, how does their debt look (creditcard and so on??), What I can say, a president; can't really change things, at least right now, he problay got the worst job right now, the country after Bush (not Bush fault perse, but at least for a big part / wrong direction), is also to blaim on the people. It's just the system we are all in right now, which is just wrong, but that always brought wealth, that doesn't work anymore, but they keep on going as long as possible, the other side , they all fear, but can't escape, just making it far worse when they finally get there.. But maybe the people find eachothers again, that's what is about.
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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2010, 05:59:24 PM »

A President, it's been argued that this President, has accomplished more change at 18 months than any prior in modern history.  Again and again, his Administration has managed to accomplish things that have escaped the Democrats from Kennedy through Clinton.  Among our Presidents' jobs are to set a direction, help set policy, to lead and appoint.  Although IMO to the detriment of this nation, the prior Administration, both Replublican House and Congress, were also very productive, eroding/dismantling/subverting/ignoring the nation's Constitution.  But this was done over the course of years, as opposed to just months.
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« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2010, 06:38:21 PM »

I must disagree , so far our children and grand children will be paying for this bail out for years to come , they should have never bailed out the very ones that place this country in this shape but tried to save more of our smaller business 's . Our country was built by hard working small  business owner who did the right thing and grew . The same go's for those who spent and tried to live above their means.
 Had they left them to fall( AIG and others)  with time the would have been replaced by smarter people and better business practices . We have the beliefs that our country cant survive with out big business. Our government has become overwhelmed with the special interest groups and behind closed door dealing and until this country wakes up nothing will change and no one man will change it. It may seem as though Obama has done these great things but we are now in one of the biggest deficits in the history of this country that will run well beyond our life time. Is that a new direction or an old practice ?
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« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2010, 06:50:01 AM »

You only state that because you don't (or for whatever reason refuse to) understand the situation that was at hand.  Recommend studying up leading up to, and after the American Great Depression.  BEFORE the current Administration came to power, the banking system was in the process of collapse.  (would've been far worse than "nuevo peso" mentioned earlier) Allow this to occur, and the very small businesses you're referring to wouldn't be able to fund their activities; receive their necessary loans to engage in business.  This should all be well known.  But not only do Americans tend to have a short, selective, and conveniently-reconstructed memory, ignorance is bliss until realized, are the depths of hell.
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« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2010, 12:21:56 PM »

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« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2010, 12:49:50 PM »

Quote from: "Intuit" date="1285550644"
More information....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39271659/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/
See the video at the end of that article.

http://zfacts.com/p/1159.html#8593
Does an okay job of reiterating some of the points that the President has hit on over the past 18+ months.

So with that first link he doesn't have sullutions, does he? his words: "The first thing you do in a hole is not dig it deeper.", well he did. With just spending more. He should have pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Cut spending, instead of increasing. But that of course would hurt on the short term, something he said; it takes time for our measurements to take any effect, while taking the short term sollutions; save the banks, increase spending to create jobs, making roads/bridges and so on (again they don't have really the money to pay for that).
He says; we shouldn't tax the top 2% richest people (1% got 90% of the wealth), since it doesn't help with these big numbers (in debt), yet this debt now just got and getting much bigger.

The problem is; he still believes in the American dream, this dream should have been a hard wake up call.

So now they passing an anti China trade war bill while creating this reality themself with pusing ''free trade'' everywhere.
http://wsws.org/articles/2010/sep2010/trad-s30.shtml
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« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2010, 03:34:09 PM »

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But not only do Americans tend to have a short, selective, and conveniently-reconstructed memory, ignorance is bliss until realized, are the depths of hell.


   And every coin has two sides
Indeed.  It seems our currently elected President, represents the best of what we are... diversity, change, level-headed reasoning, empathy, respect, virtuosity, work ethic, innovation, etc.


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More information....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39271659/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/
See the video at the end of that article.

http://zfacts.com/p/1159.html#8593
Does an okay job of reiterating some of the points that the President has hit on over the past 18+ months.

So with that first link he doesn't have sullutions, does he? his words: "The first thing you do in a hole is not dig it deeper.", well he did. With just spending more. He should have pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Cut spending, instead of increasing. But that of course would hurt on the short term, something he said; it takes time for our measurements to take any effect, while taking the short term sollutions; save the banks, increase spending to create jobs, making roads/bridges and so on (again they don't have really the money to pay for that).
He says; we shouldn't tax the top 2% richest people (1% got 90% of the wealth), since it doesn't help with these big numbers (in debt), yet this debt now just got and getting much bigger.

The problem is; he still believes in the American dream, this dream should have been a hard wake up call.

So now they passing an anti China trade war bill while creating this reality themself with pusing ''free trade'' everywhere.
http://wsws.org/articles/2010/sep2010/trad-s30.shtml
You say 'he dug the hole deeper' then provide NO supportive reasoning or examples.  As was stated, the banking system was well in the process of collapsing as his Administration took office.  That has been stabilized.  Also, he did draw down troops in Iraq as promised from the get-go.  Pulling out just to leave all residents there with no form of protection... a proverbial "well throw'em to the wolves" would be totally irresponsible, heartless, to say the least.  These are people like you and I, but under differing circumstances.  As for the rest of your statements... no comment.  (basically like the others I just responded to, they were already countered under prior posts - at some point it becomes clear that many folks are going to continue fabricating what they wish to believe, regardless of reality, regardless of facts[/color][/size])

Oh, and here's another little tid-bit for you...
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
As you can see, even under Clinton, who didn't have a collapsing banking system, it took some time to turn-around what the prior Administration did.  It is worth noting however, that Clinton did have a Republican controlled Congress for some of those years.
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