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Agentorange33
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« on: March 21, 2004, 12:17:00 AM » |
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This card makes more noise then my whole system. I have a SB75G2 with the mesh sides next to my vid card. Could i unscrew the mesh and put one of those hulking Monstrosities (Zalman Passive Cooler W/Heat Pipe or the Arctic Cooling VGA Silencer) to cool without noise? Im not overclocking so im open to anything as long as its silent.
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Agentorange33
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2004, 12:17:00 AM » |
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Help Mute my Sapphire 9800 Pro
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2004, 04:06:46 AM » |
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The Zalman ZM80 VGA cooler is really meant to be used with their low noise fan, which is gargantuan. The temps with just the heatsinks are higher than with a standard 12V fan & heatsink combo, which may or may not be acceptable to you. But even so, it doesn't fit in a SFF case. The VGA Silencer is even larger and doesn't fit either.
The quiet solutions i've seen without serious case modding:
1. Undervolt the fan & card. Undervolting the fan obviously raises temps, but undervolting the card then brings them back down, obviously at a cost of performance. Undervolting the card requires soldering work.
2. Make a hybrid passive heat sink solution using both a ZM50 & ZM80 and mixing parts from both. Still gets the temperature rather high on the card, but at least it's totally silent.
3. Buy a OEM video card. The fans & heatsinks by other companies can be more efficient and much more quiet. HIS makes reasonably quiet & cool cards, MSI are the best in terms of quiet fans but they are NV only at the moment. They announced they will launch ATI cards this month, however. The MSI NV5950 scored a remarkable noise benchmark of only +0.5 dB at 0.5m. In comparison, the loudest fans scored something like +9 dB, pretty scary considernig dB is a non-linear scale. This probably has due with the fact that MSI uses enormous heatsinks in the front and back and employs 2 fans, one in front & back. Each single fan is probably not pushing extreme RPMs, but the overall setup is quiet and cools well enough.
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Hallis
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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2004, 02:07:21 AM » |
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wierd,, i cant hear my sapphire 9700pro at all.. But,, if all else fails.. Watercool it  . Thats what im going to do as soon as my aquarius 2 kit comes in, going to go with a Koolance GPU block. But only because i want to not because of noise or any cooling/preformence problems. |
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2004, 02:19:04 AM » |
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um... if you want a really cheap and easy solution, buy a $1 3 pin cable and run it through speefan. I'm doing the same through my baybus, very quiet when i'm browsing, very load when UT2K4 or Halo are on.  -esr |
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Hallis
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2004, 04:08:42 AM » |
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um... if you want a really cheap and easy solution, buy a $1 3 pin cable and run it through speefan. I'm doing the same through my baybus, very quiet when i'm browsing, very load when UT2K4 or Halo are on.
-esr
good idea,, never thought of that,, do the ATI cards have an onboard temp probe? |
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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2004, 09:10:36 AM » |
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good idea,, never thought of that,, do the ATI cards have an onboard temp probe?
Nope they don't, not many of them anways. I guess you would need to use the other temps in your case together to create some temp limit for fan speedup. What I am really after myself is a self controlled 60mm fan, that will go faster when it reads a higher temperature. Have't found one yet. |
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2004, 01:01:54 PM » |
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Yakboy's right. I just up it to 75~100% when I'm gaming, otherwise it should be pretty cool.
-esr
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2004, 03:29:56 PM » |
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I had the same issue with my 9800. What I did is yank the stock fan and left the Heatsink on there, then just cut a 80mm thermaltake fan blowing right on the stock heatsink.  I have a brand new Zalman ZM80C-HP passive GPU cooler that I ordered when I first got my sn41g2b, unaware that the massive heatsinks would not fit. That is why i opted to go with the 80mm fan on the stock heatsink. Much less noise. One thing that I did was adapt the thermaltake fan to use the adapter on the card. For some weird reason, if I booted the box without the fan on the card, it saw my pc3200 ram as 200mhz :S, but with a fan on it, reconized as the 400mhz. By doing this, I am not able to run this through speedfan  . I figured that if I didnt like the results of the 80mm in the side of the case, i could just window it and put the Zalman on it. So Far, its worked great.. I was playing UT2004 last night in 1600x1200 full settings and it ran great! The temp on my CPU is around 44-5 and 50-52 under full load (UT). I have done the follwing mods to quite this beast.. and believe me when I say its quite. ~Reversed the ICE fan to be intake on the exterior of the case. ~80mm intake directly on the 9800 ~Replaced the 40mm fan in the PSU, now ran off the rheobus ~Replaced the 40mm stock Northbridge Fan with identical one to the PSU, also controlled via rheobus. ~Nexus 3.5 rheobus that runs all the fans except the GPU 80mm ~Artic Silver I know, not any exhaust... I am workin on that now.. now sure what I am going to do.. but probably just going to vent it on top... The mesh on the side is not cutting it.. but for the temps I have now.. I cant complain. |
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2004, 05:39:30 PM » |
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esr2:: I must admit I had been wondering how I was going to control the speed of the fan (I am thinking about sticking a 60mm on the regular heatsink) and you just manually set yours high when you play games... I suppose you could make a little batch file to it for you but it is still a blag. Can you buy fan speed controllers that have their own temp sensors which you can place anywhere you like?
jzlharvey:: I had been thinking about the possibility of shifting to an 80mm fan on the side, just 7 volt it and run it full whack all the time. I must try booting without the stock fan connected.
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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2004, 07:32:15 PM » |
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You sure can, I was using this 2 channel enermax, which does exactly that:  I was recommending speedfan, but just have my 9800pro hooked up to the baybus on the front of my SB65G2 right now (speefan being the free way to do it, vs $20 for the four channel or $25 for the temperature controlled enermax). -esr |
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2004, 10:42:54 PM » |
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If you're feeling really innovative you could place a thermal probe on the radeon and use the temp controlled baybus to run the fan on it.
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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2004, 11:45:57 PM » |
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A Vantec Iceberq 4 Heatsink and Speedfan would be a winning combination for you. Its worked out great in my machine.
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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2004, 04:50:57 AM » |
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Cheers for the responses chaps, Ajax, I might well try one of the ICEbergs... I am jsut concerend about how to customise Speedfan to control that speed based on the temp probes that are nowhere near the GPU... will have to play.
esr2 :: I would lvoe to use one of those, especially a temp controlled one. Kind of let down by my fancy hand sawn 5mm aluminium faceplate and it's distinct lack of floppy bay. Perhaps could mount one vertically on the side in front of the g.card... or perhaps above the ICE facing backwards... hnmm.
Thanks again.
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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2004, 11:31:04 PM » |
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Ive heard that the sound on the Vantec Iceberq 4 Heatsink can be annoying. What is your experience with it?
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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2004, 11:45:54 PM » |
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Ive heard that the sound on the Vantec Iceberq 4 Heatsink can be annoying. What is your experience with it?
I would also like to know, I have one on my newegg wishlist. |
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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2004, 03:15:37 AM » |
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I have been accused of being less sensitve to sound so beware!
However I have 3 Vantec Iceberg 4s installed:
1 9800 pro in SB75G2
1 9600 pro in SB75G2
1 9600AIW in SN45G ( part of entertainment center in den)
Used Artic Silver 5 on all. Attached fans to MOBO header and control with SpeedFan.
IMHO very cool and quiet even running on full.
All have SilentX 250 PSUs
Coming this week Panaflo H1A (BX) with RPM sensors to replace ICE fans.
Currently SB75s have stock Sunons.
SN45G has Cooler Master Blue rifle bearing fan very quiet and looks great.
All ICE fans currently have Antec vibration dampers installed.
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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2004, 04:26:01 PM » |
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On full I find the Iceberq to be pretty annoying/loud, but throtled back with a fanmate, speedfan, etc, they are pretty quiet, if not totally silent.
Using a fanmate in my SB75 with an Iceberq on a 9700pro, I can turn it down to where I don't here it over the HD hum and ICE fan (zalman, the slim one), and have yet to have any problems with it overheating or stability issues. Rock solid so far.
Easiest way to tell the temps of anything without a built in thermal probe is to get a cheap digital probe, like the CompuNurse, and find a good place to mount the sensor during testing. I usually use the back of the vid card directly behind the gpu, as I'm not too concerned about the exact tempurature, but want to note changes from one cooling solution to another, or from one fan speed setting to the next, etc.
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« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2004, 05:57:58 PM » |
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I modded a Vantec Iceperq 4 Pro to my 9800. I cut the mounting tabs and drilled the holes in the non-finned areas of the heatsink, I plugged into the mobo header and throttle it up with the CPU temp sensor. Both fans slow down to 7% at idle and both go up to 100% under load. Minimun threshold temp is 40 degrees for the CPU temp sensor. My CPU fan is a 92mm panaflo high fan
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