Cheney caught using the "F" word. ^_^

[Wrawrat]

Rocky, you almost want to look holier than the pope. Sorry but I just don't buy that.

What would you have said if the opposite situation happened, e.g. a democrat had told Cheney to have some wrist job? Would you have said that he was an idiot and everything or that he just made a mistake?  

[Rocky]

You guys obviously dont think much of the office of the vice presidency.  I think its a shame that we dont expect more out of these positions anymore.   Listen, I dont care about swearing at all, I swear all the time, its not a big deal.  Thats not my problem,  Its the cracking on someone for saying hello to you and doing so when you are working and especially when you are the VP.  

And wrawart, Id like to think Id be the same the other way around.  There are some dems that I dont care for and I think their speeches are dumb.  I didnt like when Nader and the Black Caucus blew up at each other.  Also look at Clinton, he took more crap from republicans than anyone in history yet everytime he met a republican senator he greated them and they greeted back and nowhere did they initially say F-off.

Have you guys honestly in your work lives ever told someone to Fuck off because they said hello to you?  Scut, chunky wrawrat? I really doubt you have.  Im not uptight, its called being profesional and polite.

[chunkyeggfoo]

What? I do it to my brother all the time

[fall-apart]

/me pictures mornings at Chunky's house:

Chunky's brother: Good morning, Chunky, and what a fine morning it is!
Chunky: F*** You!

[Rocky]

Bush brings a friend home for the weekend.

Governor or Florida :   Good morning, hows the country doing?
President:  Um duh
Former Prez :  Now now remember what I taught you.
President:  KEG STANDS!!
Former Prez : Read my lips....
VP :  STFU

[Intuit]

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.He comes off better because it's a human reaction and the Republicans aren't nearly as dictatorial about all the PC junk that goes on in this country.  I'm sure this kind of stuff happens all the time behind closed doors, but this was a closed door meeting when Congress wasn't out, but they were on the Senate floor.  There is a question as to whether rules apply or not, but you know it's not like it's consistent and common behavior.  .................

It is one thing to be politically correct... it is another to be professional.
I would not confuse the two and am sure that most professionals wouldn't either.

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According to Senate rules, profanity is not permitted in the chamber. But when the exchange occurred between Leahy and Cheney, the Senate was not in session, so there was technically no foul.

Hmmmm....... where have I heard that before ?

OH YEAH!!!  Didn't it go something like (paraphrased) 'technically President Bush Jr wasn't under oath so technically he wasn't lying' ?

Boy, we gotta learn from these guys... seems there is always an escape-hatch huh ?

[ScutMonkey]

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You guys obviously dont think much of the office of the vice presidency.  I think its a shame that we dont expect more out of these positions anymore.   Listen, I dont care about swearing at all, I swear all the time, its not a big deal.  Thats not my problem,  Its the cracking on someone for saying hello to you and doing so when you are working and especially when you are the VP.  

And wrawart, Id like to think Id be the same the other way around.  There are some dems that I dont care for and I think their speeches are dumb.  I didnt like when Nader and the Black Caucus blew up at each other.  Also look at Clinton, he took more crap from republicans than anyone in history yet everytime he met a republican senator he greated them and they greeted back and nowhere did they initially say F-off.

Have you guys honestly in your work lives ever told someone to Fuck off because they said hello to you?  Scut, chunky wrawrat? I really doubt you have.  Im not uptight, its called being profesional and polite.

And you are taking the word of a couple anonymous staffers for Leahy pretty seriously.  The article said it was a response to an ongoing set of arguments between the two.  You're trying to oversimplify the situation to make it look worse than it is.

And yes, I have said that to someone as a response, but it wasn't serious.  It was after a really bad drinking binge when the word "good" wasn't a valid description of ANYTHING at that time.  I also have a friend at work I say "go F*** yourself" to whenever he messes something up, but again I'm not serious.  

I have however, watched plenty of very important people cuss and swear at people on conference calls.  I have been on conference calls where VPs of companies were calling workers "F***ing idiots that couldn't tell their a**holes from their elbows."  I've listened to people get fired right on the phone after a barage of obscenities.  I've seen VPs of major companies and doctors actually throw things, including chairs, desk items, and books, at coworkers in anger.  I had a friend from college tell me about how he almost had to have a Doctor arrested because she wouldn't stop throwing things at him after he told her she was required to change the way she file some documents or something.

Maybe that's why I think this isn't much of an issue.

[ScutMonkey]

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Originally posted by: ScutMonkey
.He comes off better because it's a human reaction and the Republicans aren't nearly as dictatorial about all the PC junk that goes on in this country.  I'm sure this kind of stuff happens all the time behind closed doors, but this was a closed door meeting when Congress wasn't out, but they were on the Senate floor.  There is a question as to whether rules apply or not, but you know it's not like it's consistent and common behavior.  .................

It is one thing to be politically correct... it is another to be professional.

I would not confuse the two and am sure that most professionals wouldn't either.

The idea that you can't cuss at work to blow off a little steam IS politically correct.  I work in an office with a majority of men and when there are no women around we cuss like sailors and sometimes it's about or at each other, although that's much more rare.  When women are around we don't because we don't want an HR report filed against us.  100 years ago, I'm willing to bet nobody thought twice about cussing at work.  Now you have to if you don't want to lose your job...well if you're a lackey in the trenches.  If you're way up the food chain, you still don't have to worry about it as long as you don't say something sexist or rascist.

You think construction workers worry about their language?  Think they care that the VP told a Senator to F*** off?  No.  

[Wrawrat]

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Originally posted by: Rocky
You guys obviously dont think much of the office of the vice presidency.  I think its a shame that we dont expect more out of these positions anymore.   Listen, I dont care about swearing at all, I swear all the time, its not a big deal.  Thats not my problem,  Its the cracking on someone for saying hello to you and doing so when you are working and especially when you are the VP.

Like Doug said, Leahy didn't only said "Hey, what's up doc?" to Cheney: they were in a "tense discussion" (quoting the article). I don't know if you ever had heated discussions with people that doesn't share your point of view but I can assure you that they can degenerate quite easily. It's quite hard to stay politically correct during the whole discussion. I know politicians should be used to that kind of discussion but they are human: they can have bad days.

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And wrawart, Id like to think Id be the same the other way around.  There are some dems that I dont care for and I think their speeches are dumb.  I didnt like when Nader and the Black Caucus blew up at each other.  Also look at Clinton, he took more crap from republicans than anyone in history yet everytime he met a republican senator he greated them and they greeted back and nowhere did they initially say F-off.

Yeah... but he was having sex at work. Is that really better?

Nobody is perfect. There are some screw ups that should not be forgiveable (like a doctor killing a patient due to a "professional mistake") but swearing? Give me a break. I would agree with you if he was swearing {everyday,often,occasionally,sometimes,rarely} in the Senate. But once when the Senate was not in session?

Would you say the same thing if your favorite democrat said the same thing to a republican under the same circumstances... or only to those you don't care for and think their speeches are dumb? I think you are just taking a nice opportunity to flame a political adversary. I'm no fan of Cheney but I don't think he is a retard because he used one personal attack.

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Have you guys honestly in your work lives ever told someone to Fuck off because they said hello to you?  Scut, chunky wrawrat? I really doubt you have.  Im not uptight, its called being profesional and polite.

Not "fuck off". Remember that I live in a french area...

[Rocky]

Well Scut you prove again why this is an issue.  Just because some people do it at work doesnt make it ok or appropriate.   And you are comparing the language of construction workers to senators.  Im sorry but they arent the same thing and their work places are very different.  If you have no respect for the office of Senators or the floor of the senate theres not much I can say to make you that way.   You seem to think its ok to be a place of swearing and throwing things, but its not, talk to some senators and read what theyve done with their life.  Its a proifessional place where good is suppose to be done, its not a place to act like a child.  And you dont seem to get why a lot of people see it as a big deal.  If one doesnt respect and try to see both sides its not worth trying to explain something to them.

[Intuit]

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...................... its not a place to act like a child.  ..................................

I couldn't have put it better.

[Intuit]

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.He comes off better because it's a human reaction and the Republicans aren't nearly as dictatorial about all the PC junk that goes on in this country.  I'm sure this kind of stuff happens all the time behind closed doors, but this was a closed door meeting when Congress wasn't out, but they were on the Senate floor.  There is a question as to whether rules apply or not, but you know it's not like it's consistent and common behavior.  .................

It is one thing to be politically correct... it is another to be professional.



I would not confuse the two and am sure that most professionals wouldn't either.

The idea that you can't cuss at work to blow off a little steam IS politically correct.  I work in an office with a majority of men and when there are no women around we cuss like sailors and sometimes it's about or at each other, although that's much more rare.  When women are around we don't because we don't want an HR report filed against us.  100 years ago, I'm willing to bet nobody thought twice about cussing at work.  Now you have to if you don't want to lose your job...well if you're a lackey in the trenches.  If you're way up the food chain, you still don't have to worry about it as long as you don't say something sexist or rascist.



You think construction workers worry about their language?  Think they care that the VP told a Senator to F*** off?  No.

Being 'politically correct' and unprofessional are two different issues.

Two coworkers loudly disagree with one-another.  No one would say that 'this is not politically correct'.  Many would however say, that 'this is unprofessional'.

Two coworkers loudly disagree with one-another... one coworker tell's the other that "blonds are too stupid to see the point...".  This is a sexist remark and is therefore politically incorrect and of course it is also unprofessional.

Two coworkers loudly disagree with one-another... one coworker tell's the other to "F__k-off a__hole".  This is *not* politically incorrect, because there was no general remark or general slander.  It is however very unprofessional.

[ScutMonkey]

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Well Scut you prove again why this is an issue.  Just because some people do it at work doesnt make it ok or appropriate.   And you are comparing the language of construction workers to senators.  Im sorry but they arent the same thing and their work places are very different.  If you have no respect for the office of Senators or the floor of the senate theres not much I can say to make you that way.   You seem to think its ok to be a place of swearing and throwing things, but its not, talk to some senators and read what theyve done with their life.  Its a proifessional place where good is suppose to be done, its not a place to act like a child.  And you dont seem to get why a lot of people see it as a big deal.  If one doesnt respect and try to see both sides its not worth trying to explain something to them.

If Cheney was standing on the Senate floor while CSPAN was taping and swearing at other Senators, then yes I would consider it a big deal.  I'd think he'd gone insane, frankly.  He didn't and this is being taken way out of context.

I never condoned what others have done in the work place.  I don't even condone what Cheney did.  I will say I understand it, however, and I think this is being blown way out of proportion.

BTW, I don't think it's valid to consider adultery and using the f word once as similar offenses.  One is breaking an oath you made to your spouse and the other is just using a four letter word.  That being said, I didn't have the big problem with Clinton getting the BJ in the Oval Office (although it's another sign of his poor character).  I had the problem with him lying about it under oath and trying to get others to lie for him as well.  

[ScutMonkey]

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.He comes off better because it's a human reaction and the Republicans aren't nearly as dictatorial about all the PC junk that goes on in this country.  I'm sure this kind of stuff happens all the time behind closed doors, but this was a closed door meeting when Congress wasn't out, but they were on the Senate floor.  There is a question as to whether rules apply or not, but you know it's not like it's consistent and common behavior.  .................

It is one thing to be politically correct... it is another to be professional.

I would not confuse the two and am sure that most professionals wouldn't either.

The idea that you can't cuss at work to blow off a little steam IS politically correct.  I work in an office with a majority of men and when there are no women around we cuss like sailors and sometimes it's about or at each other, although that's much more rare.  When women are around we don't because we don't want an HR report filed against us.  100 years ago, I'm willing to bet nobody thought twice about cussing at work.  Now you have to if you don't want to lose your job...well if you're a lackey in the trenches.  If you're way up the food chain, you still don't have to worry about it as long as you don't say something sexist or rascist.

You think construction workers worry about their language?  Think they care that the VP told a Senator to F*** off?  No.

Being 'politically correct' and unprofessional are two different issues.

Two coworkers loudly disagree with one-another.  No one would say that 'this is not politically correct'.  Many would however say, that 'this is unprofessional'.

Two coworkers loudly disagree with one-another... one coworker tell's the other that "blonds are too stupid to see the point...".  This is a sexist remark and is therefore politically incorrect and of course it is also unprofessional.

Two coworkers loudly disagree with one-another... one coworker tell's the other to "F__k-off a__hole".  This is *not* politically incorrect, because there was no general remark or general slander.  It is however very unprofessional.

If I'm on the phone and I slam it down and say "f***" at my job, I can an HR complaint filed against me.  It wasn't harassing and it wasn't directed at anyone, however it is not PC to swear at my job.  If I swear AT someone or if I just call them an idiot, then that is harassing.  To most people that is a very fine distinction which is why I said most people won't care very much about it.

[VillageIdiot]

If Cheney had done this while the Senate was in session he'd be in deep doodoo.

Anyone see that video of Howard Dean swearing during his primary debate with Gephart?
That was funny.  He looked so angry and full of hate, like he was going to leap out and grab Gephart by the neck and then have a heart attack.
That guy could dish it out but sure couldn't take it.  

[ScutMonkey]

Kerry's wife tells conservative reporter to "shove it".

*sigh*

Here we go again.  This part actually bothers me more:

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A spokeswoman for Heinz Kerry later said, "This was sheer frustration aimed at a right-wing rag that has consistently and purposely misrepresented the facts in reporting on Mrs. Kerry and her family."

He asks for a clarification on something she clearly said and his whole newpaper gets the shaft.

[Rugged]

Did you see senator shrillary clinton's reponse?   "you go girl!"  

She must have been not inhaling with bill when she was supposed to be in english class.

I'm glad we have senators who can accelerate our cultural degredation.  

As for heinz - kerry....  she's a portigee so I won't bag, but she has a German last name.   I don't know how much you people know about the history of portugal (rugged is partially of portugese descent) but a portugese person with a german last name can only come from one type of back ground.  

eurofacist circa 1939.

[Intuit]

Oh people PLEASE.

The woman simply stated "shove it" not "F*&^%#$!"

You're making a story out of a non-story.
If this is the best ya'll have to pick-on... then ya'll may be in trouble.

[Intuit]

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Originally posted by: ScutMonkey If I'm on the phone and I slam it down and say "f***" at my job, I can an HR complaint filed against me. It wasn't harassing and it wasn't directed at anyone, however it is not PC to swear at my job. If I swear AT someone or if I just call them an idiot, then that is harassing. To most people that is a very fine distinction which is why I said most people won't care very much about it.

It's obvious that we'll just have to agree to disagree.
You can get an HR complaint filed against you because it is extremely unprofessional as a representative of the company... being politically correct has nothing to do with it.  If you called someone an idiot and they routinely do something stupid, this is BOTH politically incorrect AND unprofessional.

BTW, what Kerry's wife did was unprofessional, but not politically incorrect, as it was a verbal/action comment and not an adjective/descriptive comment.

Again, we'll just have to agree to disagree.