lefties, please help me with a question....

[Rugged]

lefties, please help me with a question....

[Rugged]

ok, let's say I wanted to start an exclusive club/lobbying group/businessman's association.  My mmbers can ONLY be of the same race as me, no one else is allowed.  I will call My group "THe Race" And we will look out for ONLY the well being of our own kind.

We will have a mission statement that calls for removing people of all other races from the land where we live.

We will ONLY do works that benefit people of our color, ethnicity, who speeak our language.  All others are not allowed.  

We will seek to push our radical racial agenda in countries that aren't our own, by promising illegal favors to elected officials.

Is my group a racist group?   acceptable answers are yes or no.

[Rugged]

hmmm,

I can see that no one wants to touch this one.....  maybe this ten foot pole will help
 

[Rugged]

there are three racial clubs in the USA that meet all of the criteria above.  LA RAZA, (the race) MECHA, and NCLA.  the are ONLY for mexicans, and they benefit only mexicans.

Bush spoke of amnesty to NCLA last week.  promising a short 3 year road to citizenship.
(these are illegal immigrannts for those who don’t know)  NCLA is more of a business group.

Kerry spoke to L-a Raza (which espouses the outbreeding of americans in california, arizona, and new mexico) and this week to MECHA (which thinks there is a 4th country in North America called atzlan, it consists of northern mexico,california (of course) arizona, nevada, colorado, new mexico, and texas and it belongs to the mexicans.)  Our Lt. governor and 3 state senators in CA are MECHA chapter leaders.  Kerry promised BOTH groups citizenship within his first 100 days in office.  

First of all, is it right to give political clout to a group made entirely of foreign nationals?

Secondly, is speaking in front of racist groups rproper behavior for a sitting president  or senator?

Third, is it wise for the democrat party to let Kerry speak to MECHA, while denying the NAACP a prime time spot to speak at the Democratic National Convention? Now that Mexicans have passed african-americans as the largest minority voting block in the country, isn’t it a little transparent to pander to one group while ignoring your last sacred cow?

Or can it be that the democrats are trying to obtain the Mexican vote (which is an illegal vote)  by trickery the same way they obtained the black vote?

makes me wonder.


IF I had started an exclusionary group for only white people, or only christans, how loud would the outcry from the liberal party be?  Luckily for balance, the republican national convention will have speakers from the NAACP on tv in primetime slots.   I think ONLY AMERICANS should have a voice in the american political process.  why the pandering to la raza?

[ric]

yeah, It’s been a rough week. That aids thing took a lot of energy out of most...

[UglyShoes]

I'll bite,    in short,  yes and no.

You can form your group and be ok (in the legal sense) if you aren't accepting public funds, or doing ilegal things, like going around and shooting people.

If you just want to have a club and you all go there and bash other races and such, but don't go out and do stuff to them, you are probably ok.  It wouldn't be much differant than any private club.

But you seam to want to be an active group, that would be going out and solving what you see as "problems" . this would  pretty much any form of hating would be rasist,  far as I know being a racist is not ilegal.  But doing things to harm others is. So you would run into plenty of problems.  And if your trying to pay off politictions then you would be real hot water.  And if you tried messing with other countries, then you would be dealling with them. And other countries are far less tolerant of such things then the US.

It sounds like you want to be the New Hitler,  I don't think that is coming back into style anytime soon.  I'm also guessing you are planning a setup here thinking you will get people drawn into some fight over some issue and say that there is such groups out there bla bla.   Oh well, I guess the AIDS thread is dieing out, guess you needed something new.

[Rugged]

50/50

you should have read the topic before you posted.

[Jasper]

From the ole dictionary. Racist = Discrimination or prejudice based on race.  

So yes, it is a racist group. Is that a bad thing? That's up for each of us to decide.  

[Rugged]

is there such a thing as good racism?

[Jasper]

Depends who you ask

Personally I don't like it when people are discriminated against for their race, gender, age, sexual orientation, economic status, you name it.

Assumptions are your enemy.  

[VorLonUK]

You are talking Rug of that Old chestnut,

I know exactly what you are asking (and wished I didn't) but nevertheless it's a good question.

In the UK I couldn't join the "Masons" because I'm not good enough, nor could I join some golf clubs. So on that score I assume you are asking why shouldn't you be able to start a club with a certain set of rules.

I suppose it's a bit like the situation with your bro, so are you excluding a race because you believe it to be inferior ie Racism or do you just want a particular type of person in your "club" ie a type of person you can relate to.

Am I right ?  

[mcBuddha]

Larry Elder fan?  John & Ken?  Anyway been down this road before, and they're no different than the white supremacists or old Nation of Islam.   Most are misguided college students who eventually grow out of their radicalism (once they start owning their own stuff an paying for it).
In the meantime I don't see our Federal government - not lefties btw doing anything but encouraging illegal immigration with lack of enforcement and promise of amnesty.  
I'm a moderate and I think both sides are corrupt on this issue.

Listen to Asa Hutchinson sweat - you need windows media player

[eze]

there's nothing wrong with racism as long as you don't cross that pesky little line...

[Rugged]

for the record, I'm DON't want to start a club.  some people dont even read.....

Mcbuddah, i heard the asa huchison thing the other day live, that's what made me want to post this topic.  I can understand groups that are for American citizens, but a foreign national lobbying group that kerry and bush specifically target....  I dont know.  

why can't we have a moat and some nile crocodiles?

[LINCARD1000]

Yes.

You do pose an interesting scenario tho Rugged, and it's not limited to just the US.  Here in godzone, we have a large number of Pacific Islanders coming into this country and jumping on the various state-run welfare systems.  We also have a lot of Asians (in most cases quite rich Asians) moving to NZ to buy up large amounts of property and businesses, and also to send their kids to our schools and universities because it's a hell of a lot cheaper here than the various countries they call home.

This is getting the backs up of a lot of people, particularly slightly older 50+ year olds...

To be quite honest, I'm not that happy about the Pacific Islanders coming over here and just jumping on Welfare, often sending the money back to their families on the various Islands...  I think that's akin to stealing.  As for the Asian situation... I can see good and bad points to that.  Good in that they are bringing a lot of money into the country with them (their students pay very high fees), bad in that especially in the education sector, the language barrier often causes a lot of friction, and just of late there have been an increase in the number of gang-related crimes happening (gang = Triad's and other asian gangs I can't think of the names of right now).

The thing that makes me laugh though is that while we don't have crocodiles, we do have a honkin' great moat around our country

LINC  

[Rugged]

people coming into your country take boats.  they could cross the moat anyway.
people coming to america walk across our 1500 miles of unprotected border in the south and the 3000 miles of unprotected border in the north.

I don't mind immigration, I do want everyone to get a tb test and some simple bloodwork though.  if bloodwork is against your religion, don't come here.

and yes, it is 100% proven that the largest slice of mexico's GNP is american workers sending home money.  16 billion dollars per year.  not to mention the HUGE underground cash economy they create here.

BUT, if they weant to come here, speak english only, become full Americans legally, I support their decision.  ANYONE who wants to come and become an American, leave their old flag at home, learn and live with us, you are always welcome.  "Bring us your poor, your tired...."

If you want to sneak here, influence our political process, send money home while living on welfare, and flying another nation's flag from your car or home, then you just may get a midnight visit from the discount border patrol.

[demonixz]

I'm a bit late, but yes, it is racist. And yeah, not only white people can be racist.

[fall-apart]

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people coming to america walk across our 1500 miles of unprotected border in the south and the 3000 miles of unprotected border in the north

I don't think you have too many mexicans immigrating from Canada  And as for racist: I guess it depends how you define "race".  I remember reading a story about a Japanese businessman who would only hire other Japanese.  He was charged with racism, but beat the rap because "Japanese" isn't a race, asiatic is, but he wouldn't hire Chinese or Koreans or Thai either, so he wasn't "racist".

[Mefistofeles]

How would you define race; that's the key question?  Is it by local breeding group?  For example the people of Chicago.  Is it by ethnic origin?  That's the real question.  

I'm just curious are you trying to draw a paralellel to National Council of La Raza ?

You must be an avid reader of American Patrol .

Personally I believe that you're either part of the "in" group or outgroup and that varies by circumstances.  For example in Northern Ireland its very important whether you're Catholic or Protestant.  In Fallujah its probably important to be Sunni rather than Shia(a group of Shia truck drivers were tortured and murdered by the predominantly Sunni resistance in Fallujah).   In Rwanda its probably very important whether or not you are Hutu or Tutsu.  

Yes these differences may seem small compare to what we define as race in the United States but the real question isn't whether or not race important its what makes one group different than another.   Race is simply one way of looking at asking that question, but not the only way.  

This emphasis on race in my opinion hinders the develop of sociology and psychology in America.  The question shouldn't be why people discrimanate against people of different races it should how do people perceive other people as belonging to "different" and how people react to those "outside" groups?

I don't know why Mexicans in particular insist on coming to the US illegally.  During the last amnesty over 4 million Mexicans who entered the US illegally were given a chance to become permanent residents/citizens.     To me this implies that many Mexicans probably have some relatives living in the US and are probably eligible to come here legally.  

[mcBuddha]

Ok Rugged it sounds like you and I are on the same page or at least the same radio stations

For those outside the broadcast range of KFI, the issue breaks down like this.  Here in California we've got
a serious problem with illegal aliens (or as those more pc like to say undocumented)  to the extent that there
are cities like Santa Ana where it is estimated that the illegal population is greater than the number of legal and
American citizens.  And we're not just talking about Mexican illegals as we also have some of the greatest concentrations of Armenian, Israeli - hey you name it!
Anyway, we've also got a horrible state budget situation, and its been suggested by some that the cost of
supporting the illegal population contributes to this.  Its been suggested by others that the California economy is kept afloat by the illegal population.  There are probably statistics to support both. Statistics  In any case its also been suggested by the John and Ken show on KFI that there is an active effort by the Mexican government thru 'agents' of theirs living in the U.S. and in the Consulates to arrange protests in support of looser controls for illegals.  And, you can see that if your country relies on the unofficial foreign aid of illegals sending money home how they might do this.  
One interesting recent development is this very same radio show has decided that the time has come to 'sacrifice' a Republican in the Federal House or Representatives to bring home the direness of the situation.  And you got to hand it to them, they have enough clout to light a fire under the California republican reps.  And I applaud them for it!
I just want to say that I support legal immigration.  I think that America should control the influx of immigrants.  Immigrants ho don't abide by the rules should be sent home, and those employers who employee them should be penalized or imprisoned.  
Mefistofoles - cmon you don't know why immigrants come here illegally?   Jobs, money, freedom (a few), better opportunities for their children.  All good reasons, and I sympathize.
Anyway I would really like to see some definitive studies on the costs of illegal immigrants.  I lean towards the costs outweighing the benefits.

[Overkill]

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He was charged with racism, but beat the rap because "Japanese" isn't a race, asiatic is, but he wouldn't hire Chinese or Koreans or Thai either, so he wasn't "racist".

Was that in Canada fall apart? That's outrageous!! The reason he wouldn't hire the other asiatics is because some Japanese think they're inferior too............... *sighs*

Discussing 'rascism' is pointless. Geneticaly there is only one race - homo sapien. Unless of course theres few Charles Xaviers lurking out there.............

[Sparbag]

for no 1 are you a Red Indian then if so go for it! Kick them whitey's out.
Oops no3 gives the game away, you are not North American ancestry you are a coclonist descendant.

Answer = yes