Someone should stop Nader

[Rocky]

Someone should stop Nader

[Rocky]

Nader

You know when start taking the help of the other side, it means you probably arent doing any good.

[UglyShoes]

Well, this is the US and he has every right. But yes, what he is doing is just plain wrong.  Most all his funds this year have come from republicans.  Yet no republicans have interest in voting for him.  CNN did a pole of nader voters,  7 out of 10 would vote for kerry other wise.  The other 3 undecided.   So his crap about helping kerry is so wrong. Thats what pisses me off so much is him going off saying things he and the facts know are just plain wrong.

I agree and wish there was more parties, thats a step towards no parties, or getting out of the horrible current way of things.  But this is not the time for such crap.  I know the man some where some place is a smart man, and everything he is doing is just plain insane.

[link2661]

what an ass

[ric]

divide and rule ..

[ScutMonkey]

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divide and rule ..

Alot like Perot and the 90s elections.  What goes around, comes around.

[Rugged]

yeah, he should know better.  unless he's taking the money and buying a nice SUV with it.

his biggest supporter hillary is cheering him on all the way.   So am I.    but yes, he is being a bone head.

let's be thankful for perot, I would have lost all my hair from another 4 years of bush 41 and his rampant gun banning.

If Ferry promised to legalize recreational cannibis, i'd vote for him in a heartbeat.  OH... ROCK-eee...
THAT's where we get the money to bring the punishment ar0und the planet.  Legalize the herb and tax it like nicotine.

[ScutMonkey]

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yeah, he should know better.  unless he's taking the money and buying a nice SUV with it.

his biggest supporter hillary is cheering him on all the way.   So am I.    but yes, he is being a bone head.

let's be thankful for perot, I would have lost all my hair from another 4 years of bush 41 and his rampant gun banning.

No to mention half your gun closet.  

Seriously though, someone ought to do a study on how effective those bans and the waiting period have been.  I'm betting it's had zero effect on violence.

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If Ferry promised to legalize recreational cannibis, i'd vote for him in a heartbeat.  OH... ROCK-eee...

THAT's where we get the money to bring the punishment ar0und the planet.  Legalize the herb and tax it like nicotine.

I'd be up for that idea.  I'd even legalize the hard stuff.  Just make the age limit like liquor and I'm fine with it.  Not sure I'd vote for Kerry if he supported it though.

[ric]

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 Legalize the herb and tax it like nicotine.

 

I couldn't agree more!! We are talkin BILLION$ and it would prolly reduce crime and violence.  

[Rugged]

"assault" weapons were NEVER used in more that 1/250th of gun crimes.  They were never the issue.  handguns are and always will be.  There's a book from a non partisan but pro gun author called "more guns less crime" by John Lott.  It chronicles counties in florida, vermont, texas, arizona, and colorado where the process of issuing gun permits changed from "may issue" to "must issue"  that means if you have no record and are legally allowed to own a handgun, if you apply for the permit and pass the test you can carry it.

There was a 70% reduction in all types of violent crime (EVEN THOSE INVOLVING GUNS) across the 12 counties in 4 years.

More guns, less crime.


I don't think it's ok to legalize the hard stuff.  heroin, meth, coke, ... not good.  no one ever killed their mom for cash to buy weed.  no one ever smoked one and beat his wife and kids half to death, no one smokes and gets on the highway going the wrong way at 100MPH.

It's so much less harmful than liquor it's not even funny.

It should be legal,and the HUGE underground economy feuled by 40% of American adults smoking pot should be capitalized on.  Think of all the agricultural jobs, the sales jobs, the specialty stores.....

Would be a boon to the nation, PLUS you can take all the cops off of chasing down roach smoking teenagers and put them on the borders.

[Mefistofeles]

Like it or not Nader is the only true alternative to Bush.  Kerry is just "Bush Lite" .  Its difficult to imagine Kerry proposing policies that will take us off the course that Bush has charted.

[Rugged]

I've actually heard whacko nader supporters telling people out side of a supermarket that kerry will escalate the war not stop it.

I was like "you're right it's all so clear now."  "kerry plans to pull haliburton out and put oxydental petroleum in as favored contractor."  after I finished my shopping I heard the naderettes out front telling people that kerry plans to pull haliburton out and put oxydental in.  HAHAHAHAHA

[R Wood]

According to what I read in fuzzy thinking journals like The Washington Post or The New York Times it seems that more Americans smoke pot than smoke cigarettes and cigars combined. Imagine if they taxed that.

Let Nader run. Bush gets re-elected and Hillary has a clear shot at the nomination in 2008.

[Rugged]

TOPIC HIJACK


Well Hillary won't have a clear run.  she'll be up against conde, who's about 20x smarter and even better looking than shrillary, plus the dems will try and run clark again and boxer.

she definitely will not win.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

should we elect kerry just to make sure hillary wont run for pres?  by 2012 she'll be way too old.

[Arrow]

Wouldn't the democrats just crap their pants if the republicans put up Conde for president. A minority and a women, and at least the intellecual equal of Hillary.  

[Rugged]

they'll have no choice.  and conde is the intellectual superior of hillary.  Hillary's a firebrand, nothing more.  My daughter is already smarter.

[Rocky]

Rugged-  First off conde isnt smarter than hillary.  Like hillary or not, shes not someone youd have a good shot arguing against, especially you  And conde is harsh looking,  a woman is a long ways away from the white house because women dont vote for women.

Im glad to see Ric and Scut show their partisanship and not their love for the country and how it works

[ScutMonkey]

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Im glad to see Ric and Scut show their partisanship and not their love for the country and how it works

And complaining about the process which has made this country the only superpower in the world isn't sour grapes?  I didn't complain in 92 or 96, so you're going to have to suck it up in 2004.  The fact is, Bush still has to get through this campaign without any major faux paus.  He could still lose this election.  Especially if Iraq totally goes crazy and the economy turns south again.  There are alot of serious conservatives who are lukewarm on Bush because of his domestic policy.  Bush is very vulnerable and very beatable, Nader or no Nader.

The Dems manuevered for the "electable candidate" after Dean imploded, but at least Dean was a clear alternative to Bush.  Kerry isn't in alot of ways that matter to the left.  Another reality is that the Dems have nominated two consecutive blocks of wood (Gore and now Kerry) and Edwards is the best they can do to salvage the current situation but he's a freakin' trial lawyer.  The Dem's 2004 rallying cry is "anything but Bush" and that's about as effective a strategy as the Rep's '96 strat of "anything but Clinton."  The parallels with '96 are uncanny, with a young and vibrant Jack Kemp coming on board to try to save the boring ole Dole.

Nader isn't going to lose this election for the Dems.  Kerry is if they even lose it at all.

[R Wood]

Rocky, I once thought that there was nothing that we could agree on. I was wrong. Hillary is way smarter than Conte. Look at the facts. First, Hillary rides Bill's coat tails while Conte had to advance on her own merit -- how dumb is that. Hillary looks at a situation or problem and reacts to the portion she can comprehend -- then she looks for the angle for what she can get out of it for herself. Pretty smart on her part. Conte assesses the situation as it really is and then does her best to fix it in the interest of the country with no hope or thought for personal gain. How stupid can you get.

[Rocky]

Rwood-  I think its funny you see being a senator as personal gain.  


Scut-  Im not complaining that theres a third party, or that hes a lefty and itll steal votes.  I know that would make you happy because its an easy argument for you to argue against me.   Im saying nader should be stopped because hes getting on the ballot because non supporters put him there, not because he actually has support and that is wrong.   Perot got on because he rallied enough people, nader got on last time because he rallied enough people.   This time hes going to get on because his enemies want him on.   Its a different ballgame than the one you tried to play in your post.

[Rugged]

Hillary sees being a senator as personal gain.  ROFL she'd only been shopping in NY twice before she moved there and was "elected" senator. The people in new york can't stand her and I've never talked to a new yorker who will admit to voting for her.

I would feel confident debating hillary on ANY issue.  She's ONLY a loud mouth and a butch haircut.

[Rocky]

Youd debate her and lose, confident or not.   See the thing about hillary is that shes not personable, shes not overtly politically charming, shes not your mom or your sister.  Shes  like a mohter law in hell, one that you know is smarter than you and you would trust to make the decisions but would never admit to your wife about it.

Being a senator isnt about "standing a person"  or even liking them, its about whos going to do the best for you and for your state and/or country depending on how you view those things..  right doug  

[ScutMonkey]

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Rwood-  I think its funny you see being a senator as personal gain.  

Scut-  Im not complaining that theres a third party, or that hes a lefty and itll steal votes.  I know that would make you happy because its an easy argument for you to argue against me.   Im saying nader should be stopped because hes getting on the ballot because non supporters put him there, not because he actually has support and that is wrong.   Perot got on because he rallied enough people, nader got on last time because he rallied enough people.   This time hes going to get on because his enemies want him on.   Its a different ballgame than the one you tried to play in your post.

Well then I guess the question is, would he have gotten on through his own merit if his office hadn't stopped getting signatures because they thought they were on already for the reform party.  Honestly, I think it's a bit of underhanded politics on the part of Republicans, and I think Nader deserves his fate if he can't organize his own party.  That being said, I'm not from Michigan and it's their rules so they need to decide for themselves.

You're so quick to label me Republican, but I'd vote Libertarian again if they changed their stance on foreign policy.  That's the ONLY thing Bush has going for him over the Libertarians right now in my mind.  Here's my voting record if you're interested:

92 - Perot (Reform)
96 - Dole (Republican)
2000 - Brown (Libertarian)

I look real Republican with that 33% voting record don't I?  That doesn't even include local elections where I frequently vote Democrat because of the religious right in my area and the fact that most Southern Dems are actually very conservative, so I don't have a problem voting for some of them.  I voted for Zell Miller (Democrat) twice as governor and I also voted for Cleland once as well.  Too bad Cleland is turning into a nutcase.

I didn't register in time to vote in the primaries yesterday though and the Senatorial candidate I wanted for the Republicans, Herman Cain, lost.  Oh well, he did have a good showing, so maybe we'll see him again in future statewide elections.  The one I'm most upset about is Cynthia McKinney won the primary in District Four.  She represented that district for 8 years and is a bigot (She blamed her last loss on Jews).  She lost in the last election, but it looks like she's going to win again unless the Republicans can dig someone up to stop her (and they won't).

[ScutMonkey]

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Youd debate her and lose, confident or not.   See the thing about hillary is that shes not personable, shes not overtly politically charming, shes not your mom or your sister.  Shes  like a mohter law in hell, one that you know is smarter than you and you would trust to make the decisions but would never admit to your wife about it.

I'd never trust Hillary to make decisions for me.

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Being a senator isnt about "standing a person"  or even liking them, its about whos going to do the best for you and for your state and/or country depending on how you view those things..  right Doug

Agreed and that's one of the most dangerous things about Senators and Congressmen.  They're there first and foremost to represent their state and the best interests of the country second.  As a result you get alot of pork barrel spending on projects that boost state economies, but waste federal tax dollars.  

[Rocky]

Scut - "I'd never trust Hillary to make decisions for me. "

You barely trust yourself to make decisions for yourself  Let alone anyone else, haha

You are right about federal tax money for states though.   The more powerful the senators and congressman the better your state is.  Thats why Im always surprised when longtime incumbents get voted out because of federal politics.   usually not smart on teh states behalf.  I wont list the examples of long term people cause I know you know them.