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Peng
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« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2004, 01:52:55 AM » |
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The problem I see with the XP-90 cooler is that teh dimensions given are for the widest spot; on the top. It is substantially narrower at the base, but there is no dimension (that I can find) for the tapers to show it'll clear the rear or side capacitors.
http://images10.newegg.com/pro...mage/35-109-119-08.JPGhttp://images10.newegg.com/pro...mage/35-109-119-02.JPGWell, I'm not exactly sure which capacitors are the rear ones and which are the side ones, but, from those pictures, it looks like the fins that, uh, stick out are higher than the ends of the clips, and since the ends of the clips are higher than that group of capacitors near the right side of the case, it should fit. http://store1.yimg.com/I/svcompucycle_1811_100257283Since the lower parts of the heatsink don't stick out farther than the ends of the clips, there should be no problem with space there, either. |
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DrAtomic
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« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2004, 05:05:22 AM » |
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Wild assumption here, and you'll have to cut me a bit of slack since I don't have the XP-90 base dimensions. If you lool at the base and brackets it seems the XP-90 can only fit crosswise, with the long end side-to-side rather than front-to-back. Assuming (here's the big assumption) that the base size is the same or close to the mounting bracket width (looks that way from the pics) that would make it around 75mm. The long dimmension given for the XP-90 is 125mm, and from the pic the overhang is all on one side. That leaves 50mm on one side or the other. On the case side 50mm will put it outside the side panel. On the other side it'll touch the video card (if used). The measurements are close so I recommend double checking them yourself. If it could mount front to back then there would be plenty of room, but side to side could be a bit of a problem.
If you get one I'd really like to see some pics on the fit.
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Peng
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« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2004, 05:36:49 PM » |
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Yeah. My measurements showed that it would be very, very close to the side of the case, but not actually touch it. But I'm not very sure of them.
Looks like the only way to verify this would be to pick one up. I may do that, eventually.
Edit: Wait. Does the 125 mm include the heatpipes sticking out, or just the fins? ....I'm confused now.
Edit: Measuring it again, it may not fit. If it does, it will be very, very close. Huh. Is there any way you know of to remove the mounting thingamabob and turn it?
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NiTTaKu
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« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2004, 07:45:53 PM » |
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Look closely to the mounting clips, heatpipes would be facing to the AGP slot side.
BTW, there isn't any way to rotate the plastic mounting for the HS
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DrAtomic
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« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2004, 08:23:41 PM » |
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Maybe I missed it, but the clips look the same on both ends. I'm not sure it'd matter if it faces the AGP slot or the case side. Either way it'd be a hard fit, though.
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Peng
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« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2004, 10:15:07 PM » |
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Maybe I missed it, but the clips look the same on both ends. I'm not sure it'd matter if it faces the AGP slot or the case side. Either way it'd be a hard fit, though.
Yeah, they do. And in my case, the ATX power cable is completely in the way of having the sticking-out part face the AGP and PCI slots. Nittaku: Darn. I figured that would be the case, but I had to make sure. |
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« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2004, 07:44:11 PM » |
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I took the plunge and now have on order a Aerocool DP-102. It's going to be tight, but I'll make it fit. I hope. If not, then my mini-tower is going to get one heck of a cooler! I'll post pics and stuff when it's installed. |
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« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2004, 05:12:20 AM » |
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Good luck with that DP-102  Maybe if yours fit I'll try one for my iDEQ, b/c if this cooler fits the two rear fans can be removed (fan in the DP-102 blowing in the direction of the case hole making a duct for the other side) |
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Masure
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« Reply #33 on: October 16, 2004, 07:56:06 AM » |
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@Dr Atomic, i don't know if you saw what i said about HS orientation, but the first problem in using an alternative cooler is the air flow is not going to the back of the case. Initally made for ATX cases, they'll be 90° turned in our iDeqs. So you'll sure have to put the fan on the other side of the HS to keep an efficient airflow (pushing on GFX card is not really cool ). |
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« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2004, 08:28:54 AM » |
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Fans in the DP-102 HS can be rotated Masure, don't worry about the airflow |
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DrAtomic
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« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2004, 01:43:38 PM » |
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Exactly right! The reason I chose this cooler is that you can rotate it so teh fans can blow in any direction, and can also do a push-push rather than a push-pull. You'd have the option of mounting it sideways and drawing air FROM your graphics card. Not that I intend to mount it like that, but it is an option.
I'm most likely going to use one fan pushing at the front of the cooler and let the case fan act as the second fan drawing the air out. Not as efficient, but it's a start.
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Masure
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« Reply #36 on: October 16, 2004, 03:24:37 PM » |
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Just wanted to be sure of that ability, it's ok then ! Good modding
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« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2004, 07:13:10 PM » |
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The shipment with the DP-102 arrived today, and there’s good news and bad news. The good news is that the cooler’s included 80mm fans will clear the capacitors on the sides of the motherboard’s CPU socket. The bad news is that the cooler is exactly 100mm tall, and my previous measurement of 100mm clearance was plus or minus 2mm. It turns out it is MINUS 2mm. The top of the cooler interferes with the bottom of the PSU near its fan. So I need to find a way to shift the PSU 2mm up or pass on the DP-102. Groan!
It’s a shame because the cooler is a real work of art. The copper fins and heat pipe are extremely well made and it would look good in any machine. There is really no comparison between the DP-102 and the stock 200N’s chunk of aluminum. Other than the chunk of aluminum actually fits! The fan mounts are a little cheesy with only a top brace. They really need one on the bottom to keep the mount square and perpendicular with the cooler, but that’s a small complaint and the cooler is excellent overall.
If I could just find 2mm somewhere…
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« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2004, 04:58:54 AM » |
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It's only one thought but... what if you cut the PSU fan grill? maybe 1mm plus, but if you remove also the fan (the PSU fan can't breath with the cooler so close) you'll get that space needed. Then, you also need to mod the PSU and put some airflow into it, maybe in the side facing the Optical drive?
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« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2004, 03:06:25 PM » |
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Man, this stinks. There just doesn’t seem to be a way to get this critter to fit. Any mod the PSU would require its fan to come out since it mounts to the bottom of the PSU case, and there is NO room to move the fan up in the PSU. Unfortunately the PSU is one of those heat generators that NEEDS a fan. When the rest of the machine is blowing cool air you can still feel the hot blast from the PSU. Passive cooling just won’t cut it. The PSU can’t be shifted up since it mounts just under the frame rail, can’t be notched because of the fan, and I don’t think there’s any way to lower the motherboard. The only option is to move the PSU outside the case, and that’s not something I’m considering. I never thought I’d be beaten by 2mm but that looks to be the case. As fantastic as the DP-102 is, it just isn’t going to fit in the 200N. Scratch another cooler off the list of candidates for replacements.
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« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2004, 05:17:00 PM » |
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sad to hear that, sorry man  PD: Maybe you can use a blower to cool the PSU, but this is only another weird thought from me |
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« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2004, 05:44:43 PM » |
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how to kill a power user in few seconds
2mm... damn it
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« Reply #42 on: November 27, 2004, 05:43:53 PM » |
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Dr. Atomic, just a thought ... and this thought if put into reality would take a heck of a lot of modding, but couldn't you theoretically mount the PSU upside down? 9i've tried and the holes don't match but I am sure theres a way round, and then to allow airflow into the PSU (it would be blocked by the top panel) could you not cut a small ventilation hole in the panel allowing cool air to be drawn down into the PSU and then out of the back?
I was thinking that once this is done you could possibly be able to fit your heatsink in?
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« Reply #43 on: November 30, 2004, 12:02:52 AM » |
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so has anyone actually put a different HSF in their system without modding? and does it cool better?
would it be better for me to just change both the case and the cpu fan?
i noticed that the case fan runs at 3800 rpm average with both fans cranked to 100% in speedfan. i toned the cpu down to 50 and the case fan went down to 2800 on 100% still.
so maybe the case fan just runs that fast because of the air coming from the cpu fan? that would certainly make a fan noisy, running faster than rated speeds.
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« Reply #44 on: November 30, 2004, 12:44:51 AM » |
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theoretically mount the PSU upside down?
This is an EXCELLENT idea as far as I can tell. I am currently planning a complete exterior mod of my 200n (going to make it look like a tiny mac-like cube) and I might try to incorporate this idea into it so long as nobody says this idea is stupid for a good reason. Nice thinking man! |
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« Reply #45 on: November 30, 2004, 08:48:23 AM » |
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I'm planning to mod my 200t at the moment. Not sure on what the difference in HSF size between the n & t are but there isn't any extra height as the PSU is in the same place. I looked at the Aerocool HT-101jr - the 'jr' is supposedly meant to indicate that it's suitable for SFFs as it's a 'junior' version of the standard HT-101. However after digging around for some reviews it still comes in at 120mm tall which is well over the 100mm clearance DrA measured I'm planning to use one of these, a ThermalTake SubZero4G. *edit* oops forgot to post a link! http://www.thermaltake.com/coo.../subzero/subzero4g.htmBasically a cleverly controlled peltier unit that doesn't cause any of the normally associated condensation problems. Shouldn't have any problems putting the HSF in place as it's about the same size as the standard heatpipe. Only potential issue is whether the PCI slot space is big enough for the control unit. Obviously this isn't an option for people using their PCI slot so I apologise in advance to you guys/gals! Only problem I can forsee with the PSU flip (granolamonkey) is that it wouldn't resolve the clearance issue. Sure you could hack away at what used to be the top of it but that would be quite likely to expose previously protected electronics - not sure that I'd want to install a huge copper heatpipe in those circumstances! As I say though, if that's not the issue then I reckon it could be a nice neat mod to do, especially if you replace the standard fan with something a little more interesting. |
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« Reply #46 on: November 30, 2004, 09:53:12 AM » |
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zettel  That is a very valid point, however when I considered flipping the PSU it was so that you could try and jam a heatsink in underneath the PSU if there is one that will fit therefore meaning the PSU intake fan would not be impeded. Plus you get the added advantage of cool air being used in the PSU and not heated air off the heatsink |
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« Reply #47 on: November 30, 2004, 11:03:14 PM » |
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one prob zettel, that pci card, even if you aren't using it, would block air flow from the agp card, which most users have.
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« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2004, 10:36:58 AM » |
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Vader - yeah I agree, if you can jam the heatpipe under the PSU in those circumstances it could well work. Not sure I'd want to do any 'jamming' when it came to things in close proximity to the CPU though, the idea of increasing the pressure it's under scares me a little (but then I've seen people crush athlon cores like butter in the past and p4's obvs aren't as bad as that!). fobis - fair enough but surely that's a consideration for anyone utilising the PCI slot regardless of what they put in it. I used to have an audigy2 in mine for a while and that blocked off the air flow considerably as well. It's something I'm having to think about carefully though as the PCI unit contains it's own power source which will add to the heat production levels in the case. I'm doing a template for the card to see how much of the GC it will block off, if it isn't any more than my Audigy I'll give it a whirl and see what happens to the Radeon (which incidentally is getting a vantec Iceberg4 (or whatever it is they're called!) to improve it's cooling and reduce the noise levels), by which I mean see what happens to its temps in a carefully monitored test period not wait and see if it blows up! (oh alright then the two are identical when it comes to my 'careful testing' Generally my concern is not to increase cooling so that I can go to town on o/cing, but rather reduce the overall noise levels of the case and maintain the current cooling situation (already have the 'standard' 80mm fan mod to each side of the case). My iDeq, like most people's I imagine, is on my desk about 10cm away from my left hand and anything to cut the noise right down is going to be a bonus. |
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« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2004, 12:05:42 PM » |
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AFAIK the PCI unit is quite hefty... http://www.overclockercafe.com...ubZero4G_AMD/1005.html The problem with TEC coolers is that they dont work miracles, all the heat that they transfer has to go somewhere! The benefits are that as long as the CPU you are cooling doesn't produce more heat than the TEC can pump away, you can end up with a nice chilled CPU. The disadvantage is that instead of just the CPU's heat to dispose of, you now also have the heat caused by running the TEC (it requires power to pump heat from one side to the other and it isn't very efficient either). In a SFF PC this device "could" work very well IF the case etc was designed with this in mind, however I doubt you will get decent results in an Ideq... You would probably be better off with something like the XP90 (assuming it would fit!) and a custom duct http://www.3dxtreme.net/index....id=thermalrightxp-90-1 Good luck tho  |
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