Babar's Rule

[Babar]

Babar's Rule

[Babar]

Here it is:

As an political campaign progresses, the probability of Republicans alleging that Demcorats support Osama bin Laden approaches one...

IMO more of an act of desperation than anything else. Without Iraq, Republicans lose the election.

[Wrawrat]

And without anti-Bush propaganda, the Democrats lose the elections. How familiar.

It's quite a sad situation. If Kerry ever wins, it won't be because of his program or his qualities but rather because he is not Bush. If Bush wins, it won't be because of his programs or his accomplishments but rather because the opposition is weak. There is probably a lot of reps that are voting for Bush just because he is a rep, not because of what he did. They would rather support Bush than some democrat.

And if Nader wins... it's a sign that Hell just froze over.

[Babar]

Yeah, but the funny thing is that Iraq isn't anti-Bush propaganda. Iraq is just Iraq, and Bush happens to be the one who got us there!!!

Swift Boath Veterans for Truth, now that's propaganda...

[ric]

Babar- your candidate stands for nothing. His lack of imagination and ideas has him in this deplorable situation. That deplorable situation is gonna make Lerry desperate. The more desperate-the more errors he will commit.

Berry is not that articulate and he can't even defend himself against the constant attacks from the right
The guy is hopeless. Nerry and his advisors are just plain stupid on political strategy


btw--- Do you know what he stands for? I do not know and most americans do not know

You and others are just purposely prolonging his own agony.

[ScutMonkey]

quote:
Originally posted by: Babar
IMO more of an act of desperation than anything else. Without Iraq, Republicans lose the election.

huh, zuh, what?


Iraq is a big ole albatross around Bush's neck.  You forget how HUGE his poll numbers were after 9/11.  If Bush stops with Afghanistan, he's a shoe in for another term.  Iraq is the reason why Dems are able to mobilize ANY threat at all against Bush.

If a candidate with a spine where running against Bush, he'd be in serious trouble.  Clinton would be creaming Bush.  The problem is the Dem's candidate.

[ScutMonkey]

quote:
Originally posted by: Babar
Yeah, but the funny thing is that Iraq isn't anti-Bush propaganda. Iraq is just Iraq, and Bush happens to be the one who got us there!!!

Swift Boath Veterans for Truth, now that's propaganda...

Propaganda:

1.  The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
2.  Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: wartime propaganda.
3.  A division of the Roman Curia that has authority in the matter of preaching the gospel, of establishing the Church in non-Christian countries, and of administering Church missions in territories where there is no properly organized hierarchy.

EVERYTHING in an election is propaganda unless it fails to support one side or the other.  Swiftboats, Moveon, RNC, DNC, etc...  It's all propaganda.

People using this word need to learn what it means.

[Wrawrat]

quote:
Originally posted by: Babar
Yeah, but the funny thing is that Iraq isn't anti-Bush propaganda. Iraq is just Iraq, and Bush happens to be the one who got us there!!!

And I guess Michael Moore isn't doing any propaganda... right? And I guess the medias are not taking some situations in Iraq out of context/proportion...

By the way, I don't do any discrimination against democrats or republicans: I despice both equally.

[fall-apart]

quote:
As an political campaign progresses, the probability of Republicans alleging that Demcorats support Osama bin Laden approaches one...

As an political campaign progresses, the probability of Democrats alleging that Bush is worse than Hitler approaches one...

[Babar]

If Iraq is propaganda, then was WWII propaganda too?

WWI?

Vietnam?

Are all wars propaganda then?

If so.... we live in a SAD world

[Rocky]

I agree wtih part of scuts.  i think without iraq Bush is better off.  But I think then the issues would be the economy and education as number one and two and I think Bush loses on those as it stands right now.

However Ill disagree with Ric that Kerry doesnt stand fo ranything.  i think that is just ignorant propaganda.  Its foolish to say a canidate doesnt stand for anything.  You can say he hasnt done a good enough job of making it known, but dont say he stands for nothing.  You can go to CNN and look at their election issues list, or go to johnkerry.com, or any major publication left or right and see the election preview issues sheet.

[ScutMonkey]

quote:
Originally posted by: Babar
If Iraq is propaganda, then was WWII propaganda too?

WWI?

Vietnam?

Are all wars propaganda then?

If so.... we live in a SAD world

Yes, they are all propaganda.  It's not sad, and it's not a sad world.  Why would you have a conversation, debate, or dialog with people if it weren't to pursuade them about something?  Intuit's signature used to say something to the effect of "just present the facts."  Well the facts are used as propaganda to prove a position right or wrong.  They are used to sway opinion.  This is true even in science.  You use your findings to prove or disprove a hypothesis.  Ideally politics would work more like science than it does in reality.  If the facts you gathered proved you wrong, you'd change your opinion.  However, it's all too common for people to just through away the facts that prove them wrong and go looking for different facts.  

Anyway, I don't have a problem with propaganda anymore.  I see it for what it is.  I listen to it and then I look up the facts and information sited to see if they're accurate and if they really support the premise which the propaganda is discussing.  

PS.  You ought to go check out the incredibly offensive and rascist government propaganda slogans and posters used to vilify the enemy in the "noble wars" of the early 20th century (especially against the Japanese in WW2).  The wars we have today are much more politically correct and respectful to our enemies than the ones we had less than 100 years ago when it comes to propaganda.

[ric]

quote:
Originally posted by: Rocky

However Ill disagree with Ric that Kerry doesnt stand fo ranything.  i think that is just ignorant propaganda.  Its foolish to say a canidate doesnt stand for anything.  You can say he hasnt done a good enough job of making it known, but dont say he stands for nothing.  You can go to CNN and look at their election issues list, or go to johnkerry.com, or any major publication left or right and see the election preview issues sheet.

roc-- that's the whole idea of this business-- switching the whole focus back to you, and thus put you on the defensive.. lol.      Did you flunk kindergarten politics 101???