Florida and Voting

[Babar]

As a continuation of the examples I provided earlier here is a blurb from a Washington Post story.

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The Felon List

Florida is one of seven states that automatically bars all felons from voting after their sentences have been served. In 2001, Florida lawmakers agreed to spend up to $2 million to compile a list of felons who were to be barred from voting.

At first, the state tried to keep the list private. But after a court ordered it released to the public, reporters discovered it was filled with mistakes and inconsistencies. The Miami Herald, for instance, found that 2,000 people who'd had their voting rights restored under the state's clemency process were still on the list. The Sarasota Herald-Tribune found that the 48,000-person list had only 61 Hispanics on it -- a fact that raised eyebrows because Florida's Hispanics mostly vote Republican. Democratic and civil rights groups have said about half of the list was made up of blacks and that Democrats outnumbered Republicans 3 to 1 on it, a claim that has been verified by reporting from Florida news organizations.

The Washington Post

Here's some of the stuff I provided earlier:

link to that thread

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...Republicans destroying voter registration forms from Democrats in several states.
...Wisconsin Republican officials wanting to print fewer ballots than voters.
...a Republican operative in Nevada trying (and fails) to get 17,000 Democrat stricken from the voter rolls because they're allegedly "inactive" (with no evidence provided, natch).
...Floridan Republicans (still) trying to prevent blacks from voting.
...a Republican-owned media conglomerate demanding its TV stations air a 90-minute anti-Kerry documentary in prime time, commercial-free -- then denies its political contribution.
...Republicans falsely telling voters in a heavily Democratic county that they are ineligible to vote.
...Eric Russell, a former Voters Outreach of America employee, told the TV station he had personally witnessed his supervisor take out Democratic registration forms from the pile and shred them.
...six people connected with the South Dakota Republican party have resigned over questions surrounding absentee ballot applications.

This just exhibits how overboard partisanism has gone in this country. No longer is it about "letting the best man win," it's now about "how many people from the other party can we keep from voting?" or "how many registration forms can we shed from the other party?" It's just simply despicable.

[Babar]

Florida and Voting

[VorLonUK]

This is what I hinted about on another thread, as we are hearing snippets of this on UK news. It seems so much is changing these days when it comes to how parties behave in their campaigns. It seems to be fairly international, but for some reason it seems to have accelerated in the US. Each US election that goes by seems to be more and more of a circus affair shrouded in controversey.

[Wunderbolt]

There was a short story by Isaac Asimov that was about a super-smart computer that could tell how the country would vote based on how one person would vote. Thus, every four years, one person was selected to go vote, and the computer would declare a winner. Maybe the US needs that system.

[Babar]

Representative Democracy at its most concise?

[ric]

vor- This technique did wonders for this dude, Ally Sharpton (democrat). Hard to top this one-- Tawana Brawley Hoax  

You take it with a grain of salt all this bs that's being thrown around..lol it's a circus

[Babar]

HUH??? What does that have to do with elections?

[BallisticGelatin]

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Florida is one of seven states that automatically bars all felons from voting after their sentences have been served.

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Democrats outnumbered Republicans 3 to 1 on it, a claim that has been verified by reporting from Florida news organizations.

Yes, and this apparently proves that more Democrats become felons....shocker!  So what's your point?

Speaking of political parties trying to 'disenfranchise' voters,  how 'bout old Gore and the Dems trying to have Military absentee ballots thrown out... it was just a coincidence that most of the troops were going to vote for GW...right?   But I'm sure you'll just cruise right by that one proven example of attempted disenfranchisement....won'tcha Babar?

[Babar]

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This just exhibits how overboard partisanism has gone in this country. No longer is it about "letting the best man win," it's now about "how many people from the other party can we keep from voting?" or "how many registration forms can we shed from the other party?" It's just simply despicable.

Point out to me where I said "Republican" or "Democrat" in the above paragraph, which you can find in the first post in this thread.

Also, please point out to me where I asserted that Democrats are innocent from disgusting voter obstruction! Because my main point is that Republicans are just as guilty....

[ScutMonkey]

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Originally posted by: Babar
Point out to me where I said "Republican" or "Democrat" in the above paragraph, which you can find in the first post in this thread.

Also, please point out to me where I asserted that Democrats are innocent from disgusting voter obstruction! Because my main point is that Republicans are just as guilty....

Oh, I agree that both sides are bad about it, but what bothers me is the implication of others (not you Babar) that there is some sort of concerted effort by either of the National Parties to do these sorts of things.

[ScutMonkey]

quote:
Originally posted by: Babar
As a continuation of the examples I provided earlier here is a blurb from a Washington Post story.

quote:
The Felon List

Florida is one of seven states that automatically bars all felons from voting after their sentences have been served. In 2001, Florida lawmakers agreed to spend up to $2 million to compile a list of felons who were to be barred from voting.

At first, the state tried to keep the list private. But after a court ordered it released to the public, reporters discovered it was filled with mistakes and inconsistencies. The Miami Herald, for instance, found that 2,000 people who'd had their voting rights restored under the state's clemency process were still on the list. The Sarasota Herald-Tribune found that the 48,000-person list had only 61 Hispanics on it -- a fact that raised eyebrows because Florida's Hispanics mostly vote Republican. Democratic and civil rights groups have said about half of the list was made up of blacks and that Democrats outnumbered Republicans 3 to 1 on it, a claim that has been verified by reporting from Florida news organizations.

The Washington Post

And we want the government to run out healthcare?  Once again the incompetence of large government at it's best.

You know, that's something I never thought of in context to the healthcare question.  Anything the government does is public record.  Does that mean all of our healthcare records would then be accessable to the press?  Not a lovely thought.

/hijack

[fall-apart]

I hope one party wins big - then we won't have to put up with four years of the losers saying the winner stole the election...

[Beraca]

Well, I'm new here and this is my very first post.


You didn't mention Democrat or Republican in that particular paragraph. But you did list nothing but slams on Republicans above that paragraph....

Republicans destroying....
Wisconsin Republicans....
a Republican operative...
Florida Republicans....
etc, etc, blah, blah, blah....

It's all about the evil Republicans. WRONG!

It should be all about how too many idiots take it upon themselves to try controlling others in an effort to make them do something. It has nothing to do with political party. It happens on both sides, and it is WRONG no matter who does it. Yet in your list, I see nothing about Democrats. Interesting....Now I do understand that you are merely quoting the Wapo story, but if you were truly wanting to be non-partisan, I'm wondering why you didn't list any of the Democratic efforts to control the voters.

I will be armed when I go to vote.

[Babar]

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Oh, I agree that both sides are bad about it, but what bothers me is the implication of others (not you Babar) that there is some sort of concerted effort by either of the National Parties to do these sorts of things.

But there ARE efforts by BOTH of the national parties to do these sort of things....

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It's all about the evil Republicans. WRONG!

The examples I gave were in response to many of Little Acorn's posts blaming Democrats for "dirty tricks." The point I am making is that Republicans are equally guilty!

[Beraca]

Then why don't you cite examples of Dummycraps doing the vandalism, or voter 'intimidation'.

At least have the spine to cite the garbage going on from BOTH parties, not just the Republicans.

You're thinly veiled attempt to claim 'it happens on BOTH sides' is frankly pretty pathetic.

ACT LIKE YOU GOT A PAIR AND TELL THE TRUTH!  

SHEEEZZZ

[ScutMonkey]

quote:
Originally posted by: Babar
But there ARE efforts by BOTH of the national parties to do these sort of things....

No, there are efforts by people who WORK for both parties to do these sorts of things.  I realize this is often so subtle a distinction as to be worthless, but there are plenty of good people on both sides of the aisle who are making an honest effort to run a fair campaign.

[ScutMonkey]

quote:
Originally posted by: Beraca
Then why don't you cite examples of Dummycraps doing the vandalism, or voter 'intimidation'.

At least have the spine to cite the garbage going on from BOTH parties, not just the Republicans.

You're thinly veiled attempt to claim 'it happens on BOTH sides' is frankly pretty pathetic.

ACT LIKE YOU GOT A PAIR AND TELL THE TRUTH!  

SHEEEZZZ

Because you're knew to this forum you apparently don't realize there is another entire thread bashing Dems for the same tactics.  This thread was a response to the other thread which was completely partisan in the other direction.

[Beraca]

Scutmonkey

I must agree with your statement about it being people in both parties, and not the parties themselves. So technically, I stand...err sit corrected...lol

My point with Babar was that on this thread, which I first saw last week I think it was, Babar was only pointing out the antics of the Repubs. (note to self - check out the other threads here)

Noob  aka Beraca