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« Reply #100 on: January 16, 2005, 10:21:12 AM » |
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If I had the cash right now, I'd buy one just to see what Apple is all about. Which is the whole point of this product. I already have a KVM, so the only out lay of cash would be for the mini mac...... Maybe after I do my taxes, there will be enough of a return for this....
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CrystalCowboy
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« Reply #101 on: January 16, 2005, 02:17:29 PM » |
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Originally posted by: Paul Howland
The reason Apple didn't include a faster graphics card is quite simple. Feature creep.
Thermal characteristics may have also been a factor. Radeon 9200 can be run with passive cooling, important for a small box like this. I could deal with that, but I do miss the gigabit. |
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Paul Howland
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« Reply #102 on: January 16, 2005, 03:09:07 PM » |
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Originally posted by: CrystalCowboy
Thermal characteristics may have also been a factor. Radeon 9200 can be run with passive cooling, important for a small box like this. I could deal with that, but I do miss the gigabit.
As a matter of interest, what is you do that needs gigabit LAN? I have a mixed 802.11G (54Mbps) and wired 100 Mbps LAN at home and have never found speed an issue. |
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Arnd
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« Reply #103 on: January 16, 2005, 06:29:11 PM » |
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Hi,
with 100 Mbps you have a transfer rate of about 10 MByte/s. With 1Gbps it is possible to transfer data much faster (40-50 MByte/s or higher).
It is a difference if you've to wait 30min or 3min for the completion of the datatransfer of your 4 gigabyte video file :-).
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« Reply #104 on: January 16, 2005, 07:18:43 PM » |
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Just for future reference in converting megabits to megabytes per second, divide by 8 In turn, 100mbps = approx. 12.5mb/s 1000mbps = approx. 125mb/s (if your hard drive can keep up  ) |
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TheEagleCD
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« Reply #105 on: January 16, 2005, 09:37:07 PM » |
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@runner91786: just for future reference keep in mind that 100mbps is the "theoretical" maximum bandwidth as you end up with less due to things such as overhead. the following graph from a review on virtual-hideout nicely demonstrates that:  So Arnd's comments about a transfer rate of about 10 MByte/s are quite accurate... Regards, TheEagleCD |
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Paul Howland
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« Reply #106 on: January 17, 2005, 02:05:44 AM » |
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Originally posted by: Arnd
It is a difference if you've to wait 30min or 3min for the completion of the data-transfer of your 4 gigabyte video file :-).
Hmmm. I guess I just don't bother transfering video files around my network. I use them on the machine they were created on. For me the real speed issue with video is either transferring them off the camera (which is limited to "real time" - an hour for an hour's recording), the time taken to edit them and the time taken to burn them to DVD. Oh, and downloading a 4GB recording from the Internet can be pretty slow too... I personally prefer the convenience of wireless over the speed of gigabit. Now, gigabit wireless would be nice... |
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« Reply #107 on: January 17, 2005, 04:56:59 AM » |
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keep in mind too that the bandwidth of that card is limited by the PCI bus such that on a system with PCI Express you'll reach a much closer bandwidth
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Arnd
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« Reply #108 on: January 17, 2005, 07:10:44 PM » |
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Hi,
It would be nice to get the full theoretical bandwidth if gigabit :-). And what about 10GBit/s :-).
Maybe in a few years.
Between Sandra 2005 gives me about 40 MByte/s throughput for my gigabit ethernet interface.
The two 200GB SATA hdds from seagate in a raid 0 reaches 110 MB/s.
Use faster hdds (WD Raptor) and e.g. 4 hdd in a raid 0 you can reach much higher data transfer rates (using PCI-X or PCIe).
Therefore a 100 MB/s network is nowadays really slow! And sometimes i cannot avoid to copy such big files through the network. DV videos from the camera are sometimes really big.
@Paul exactly because of the realtime problem it is faster to copy a file than to record it again.
But nevertheless the mac mini seems to be a really nice piece of hardware and i want one :-).
For example as a dvd player and for browsing.
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« Reply #109 on: January 17, 2005, 08:01:11 PM » |
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Originally posted by: MTP
Damn, thats very intriguing. I really can't wait to see that.
But if it is another box like the mini with better than mini ability, that rather shoots the foot off the mini, pissing off lots of users who bought one and now need to buy another and killing sales in the process.
I assume you where commenting on mattsoft's comments MTP? If so, I think what mattsoft was suggesting was an additional Mini box, which sits atop the mini and connects via FireWire, and provides extra functionality I can imagine a box with soundcard and HD, with both daisy chained via ForeWire internally, so only one FireWire cable connects the add on box to the mini. The main issue being that the box doesn't replace and compete with the mini, but rather adds to and augments it. Gordon |
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Sam Mayes
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« Reply #110 on: January 18, 2005, 03:31:07 PM » |
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im sure lacie will come out with a storage brick that is identical in size
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TheEagleCD
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« Reply #111 on: January 18, 2005, 07:12:51 PM » |
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im sure lacie will come out with a storage brick that is identical in size
yeah, that's quite possible... as someone else said earlier the Mac mini is destined to have a lot of similar looking peripherals soon! |
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Sam Mayes
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« Reply #112 on: January 18, 2005, 07:50:50 PM » |
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I agree. I can see a whole slew of Mini stacks
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The Internal
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« Reply #113 on: January 19, 2005, 08:14:46 PM » |
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I preordered one the first day I heard about it, then canceled the order the next day. After doing just some minor upgrades, it made the damn thing cost around $1000!!! For $1000, I expect it to do at least what my two year old computer can do... 5.1 audio, watch tv on it, and be able to play modern games with settings on full at 1024x768. If they had a DVD-burner and 512 MB RAM stock on the higher end model, I would have gone with it. But I just can't justify spending $1000 on a computer that can't even do 5.1 sound. The 256 MB RAM is sorely inadequate for any sort of gaming or graphics work. I'd like one, but I simply can't justify the expendature. I could build two PCs that were more powerful than that for the same cost.
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The Internal
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« Reply #114 on: January 19, 2005, 08:17:43 PM » |
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for those who care about warranties... you can't open the computer without voiding the warranty. Apple made it to where you need a special tool to even get in the damn thing. Apple had such a good idea with this thing... if they weren't so damn greedy, I'd be getting one and telling eveyone else to do the same... to bad they made it a sub-par performing box at a midrange price.
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« Reply #115 on: January 19, 2005, 08:51:24 PM » |
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internal thats not the case at all. its been stated on quite a few mac boards by techs that you may open and upgrade and its fine. if you break it while opening then all bets are off.
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« Reply #116 on: January 19, 2005, 09:11:29 PM » |
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now that you've updated your signature: quite an impressive array of systems that you got there Sam! |
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« Reply #117 on: January 20, 2005, 07:00:56 AM » |
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Im slowy weeding out the wintel machines. will have to keep 1 or 2 for dev reasons, and thanks. I dont think thats all of them I run a couple game servers too
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TheEagleCD
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« Reply #119 on: January 20, 2005, 02:04:55 PM » |
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Originally posted by: SamTheMan
Mini seems to be the next free thingy for the complet an offer and make a referral
My referral, incase it's no BS 
http://www.freeminimacs.com/?r=14030816
people in here don't really like seeing that kind of "sell your soul and get a *insert gadget of choice* for free"-stuff so you might want to think about deleting that link... Regards, TheEagleCD |
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jsares
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« Reply #120 on: January 20, 2005, 02:50:54 PM » |
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Hi guys I've put a challenge on my blog to build a better x86 SFF system. I don't want any flame wars. Just want to make sure I choose the best x86 SFF competitors. I know Sudhian knows the most about SFF systems so you are the guys I'm asking. Thanks in advance. Jason |
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« Reply #121 on: January 21, 2005, 03:01:22 AM » |
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Heya Kiwis  quote:
Originally posted by: LINCARD1000
Hey Dirge, nice to see another NZ'er in these forums! Regarding your post about the pricing of the Mac-mini in NZ, there are apparently prices on the NZ apple store:
NZ Apple Store
It's good news in that at least it's sub $1000 for the base model, but still has the approx ~$200 price premium even on top of the exchange rate, so if you know anyone going overseas to the US then you might want to look at getting them to buy it for you 
LINC
Great news, I was expecting it to be a little pricier. Apple alwasys carries a premium over here, I wonder what the markup is :/ Its nice to know there are a few NZ forum goers. quote:
Originally posted by: OurFord
LINCARD1000 and Dirge - hello from Wellington
Despite the NZ prices for the Mac mini, i still think i'll get one - though i betcha MagnumMac
will charge me through the roof! Any suggestions on the best place to buy Mac products
in NZ, Wellington?
Heya mate, I would suggest getting an educational discount if you can. Check out Apple.co.nz they list a number of resellers in your area. |
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« Reply #122 on: January 21, 2005, 05:29:14 AM » |
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Hey dirge, yeah i might get my student friend to buy me one...on the other hand i have a mate who works for renaissance, so he might be able to get me one cheapish. - gotta wait till they come in stock = torture!
Offtopic: 11 mini-ish earthquakes here in wellington NZ in the last 4 days. Sheesh...I'm getting a little worried...biggest one was 5.5
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« Reply #123 on: January 21, 2005, 11:12:51 AM » |
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Hey jsares , that was an excellent point about price comparison of the Mac mini. He pointed out for a pc of equal specs that the price is higher, given with upgrades it does tend to jump, but persay with an education discount I can grab the 1.42g4 model with 512 ram, 80gb hard drive, bluetooth, along with the bluetooth keyboard and mouse for $790. Demolishes the pc realm of pricing vs performance.
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« Reply #124 on: January 21, 2005, 02:07:44 PM » |
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In reply to the original topic, can you guess where the Shuttle used to sit?  |
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