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« on: November 15, 2005, 09:59:17 AM » |
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Hyping the Jordanian response
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2005, 09:59:17 AM » |
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A lot of commentators on television and the news have been hyping the Jordan people's reaction thinking they are now with us in the war on terror when what they have actually been saying in the street paints a different picture.
They are angry at Abu Musab al-Zarqawi but not really for the same reason we are. The groom at the wedding and many others have empahasized how wrong it is to kill other Mulsims but no general condemnation of people being killed in bombing attacks.
So is this really as good as its being painted or are people in Jordan still looking at their religious teachings for framing their response to these attacks?
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2005, 06:14:10 PM » |
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Dude, what news are you watching? Last I heard, the Jordanians were having "anti-terror" protests. After what happened in Madrid and in London, they would be idiots to be "with us" in the "war on terror".
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2005, 06:17:59 AM » |
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They are angry at Abu Musab al-Zarqawi but not really for the same reason we are. The groom at the wedding and many others have empahasized how wrong it is to kill other Mulsims but no general condemnation of people being killed in bombing attacks. I think it's understandable. I'm sure most Jews would put the killing of Jews at a greater importance than people of any other faith, and most Christians would fit in that category as well. Insensitivity to other faiths isn't a new thing. If there's any positive side to this, it shows the people of Jordan that Zarqawi's agenda is political, and Muslims aren't any safer than non-Muslims. |
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2005, 10:02:33 AM » |
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Originally posted by: powder
Dude, what news are you watching? Last I heard, the Jordanians were having "anti-terror" protests. After what happened in Madrid and in London, they would be idiots to be "with us" in the "war on terror". Well they still are one of our closest allies in the Middle East. What struct me was what they said. Sure they are angry but really the anger is focused aroud the issue of Muslims attacking other Mulsims. I wouldn't catagorize them as anti terror protests either. Their focus seems to be around Muslims attacking other Muslims which makes me wonder if they simply don't care if others get hurt if they are not Muslim. |
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2005, 10:04:24 AM » |
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Originally posted by: Timster
They are angry at Abu Musab al-Zarqawi but not really for the same reason we are. The groom at the wedding and many others have empahasized how wrong it is to kill other Mulsims but no general condemnation of people being killed in bombing attacks.
I think it's understandable. I'm sure most Jews would put the killing of Jews at a greater importance than people of any other faith, and most Christians would fit in that category as well. Insensitivity to other faiths isn't a new thing.
If there's any positive side to this, it shows the people of Jordan that Zarqawi's agenda is political, and Muslims aren't any safer than non-Muslims. Oh I agree with that. Certainly there is a sense of apathy for those outside a culture or country but the tone I believe here is different because in general from what I have seen, people publically in the west comdemn all people killed in a terrorist bombing and don't sort by religion. I think that is different than in places like Jordan |
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2005, 06:19:21 PM » |
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Certainly there is a sense of apathy for those outside a culture or country but the tone I believe here is different because in general from what I have seen, people publically in the west comdemn all people killed in a terrorist bombing and don't sort by religion. I think that is different than in places like Jordan I'm sure there's a good deal of people in Jordan and neighboring countries that viewed characters like Zarqawi and his ilk as a threat to someone else, and not themselves. It's like gang violence - it appears to be a far-off urban problem until you find a stop sign at the end of your road tagged by the Gangster Disciples. |
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2005, 09:12:12 PM » |
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Fully agreed Timster. In life I think people in general are willing to look the other way as long as they are not themselves the target of violence. And in cultures like the middle east, where religion, family, clan, and nation are far more important than they are in the west, it would seem shocking that they could be targetting by their 'brothers' like that. It would be no different than if your brother went and blew up your siblings without warning. Few people seem to understand how far adrift the US and much of the west is from the truly 'traditional' values of the Middle East, Africa and Asia. Even our most conservative individuals are 'liberal' by their sensibilities...
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2005, 06:15:09 AM » |
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Few people seem to understand how far adrift the US and much of the west is from the truly 'traditional' values of the Middle East, Africa and Asia. Being raised in an environment where "tolerance" means living among people you don't necessarily agree with versus shooting at them or keeping them on the other side of a fence makes a difference. |
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2005, 09:47:57 AM » |
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Originally posted by: Timster
Few people seem to understand how far adrift the US and much of the west is from the truly 'traditional' values of the Middle East, Africa and Asia.
Being raised in an environment where "tolerance" means living among people you don't necessarily agree with versus shooting at them or keeping them on the other side of a fence makes a difference. Boy is that ever true |
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2005, 10:49:25 AM » |
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I think the big story here is actually how different this response is to the Spanish response.
Jordanians, upon being bombed: Get bent! Down with Al-Whatever-his-name-is.
Spaniards, upon being bombed: Please don't do it again... we'll do anything... see, we're getting rid of our government for you...
I think the Jordanians have a far better understanding of terror and what you need to do to get rid of it...
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2005, 11:28:54 AM » |
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Originally posted by: fall-apart
I think the big story here is actually how different this response is to the Spanish response.
Jordanians, upon being bombed: Get bent! Down with Al-Whatever-his-name-is.
Spaniards, upon being bombed: Please don't do it again... we'll do anything... see, we're getting rid of our government for you...
I think the Jordanians have a far better understanding of terror and what you need to do to get rid of it... Great point |
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