Iranian Bomb on the way.....

[BallisticGelatin]

Iranian Bomb on the way.....

[BallisticGelatin]

Barring any action on the U.S. or Israel's part, (cuz goodness knows the U.N. isn't going to do anything useful) Iran will have the atomic bomb.  And some of you people were saying that the Iranian mullahs just wanted nuclear reactors to produce electricity....lol.  Now about how long after the Muslim fanatics in control in Iran have the A-bomb do you think they will use it on the U.S. or Israel?  The only question would be would the time be measured in minutes or seconds?  Oh, also big thanks to the Russians for selling ballistic missile technology to the Iranian mullahs....I'm just so sure the Iranians won't figure out how to duct tape their A-bomb to one of those missiles....right.  Things are about to get very interesting.

[Rocky]

Yea, its a shame we've spent already used so much of our resources fighting a war in Iraq for 3 years instead of dealing with the most "imminent" problem in Iran.

[Texmaster]

Originally posted by: Rocky

Yea, its a shame we've spent already used so much of our resources fighting a war in Iraq for 3 years instead of dealing with the most "imminent" problem in Iran.

The shame is just as BG said, the EU is worthless which is what we are trying once again to go through and just like Saddam, they refuse to act.

Perhaps they are getting kickbacks from Iran like they did with Iraq.

[Lord Raiden]

That would not surprise me one bit.  They're a bunch of greedy twits over there.  Only once the nukes start exploding on their doorsteps will these countries do anything, and by then it may be too late.  Especially if Al Quida gets their hands on this stuff.  All they'd have to do is sail a nuke equipt ship into NY harbor and boom.  The job would be done.

[Vik]

Yes, when people get their hands on this apparatus they tend to use it.  After all, there is precedence--

[Rocky]

Well i think we just heard the first "link" suggested between Iran and Al Queda. Im guessing that wont be the last.

But I dont think its any surprise that we agree that Iran is and has been a bigger threat to the US than Iraq ever was.  Oh well...

[pipperoni]

I'm not arguing nuclear weapons for Iran, but I doubt their having the bomb will make them inclined to use it.  I doubt the mullahs are suicidal themselves, as to use it on Israel or the US is only to welcome a nuclear reprisal that would easily wipe Iran from the map.  I think they want the bomb because after seeing Iraq, Iran is looking for deterrents to a US invasion (ironically having the bomb makes them a much bigger target).

[Texmaster]

Originally posted by: pipperoni

I'm not arguing nuclear weapons for Iran, but I doubt their having the bomb will make them inclined to use it.  I doubt the mullahs are suicidal themselves, as to use it on Israel or the US is only to welcome a nuclear reprisal that would easily wipe Iran from the map.  I think they want the bomb because after seeing Iraq, Iran is looking for deterrents to a US invasion (ironically having the bomb makes them a much bigger target).

I think the worry is that they would pass it off to a terrorist.    You are most liely corret, they wouldn't do it themselves.

At the very least, they would outsource the knowledge to terrorists.

[bluebomberx]

Why are the fanatical Muslims so hell bent on driving the jews out of Jerusalem? Are they hell bent enough to use a nuclear weapon to decimate the population and the land? If they want it back for their sons and daughters and Allah so badly would they be willing to play scorched earth for it? No one wants a landscape of radioactivity.

[Lord Raiden]

Bluebomberx, you want some answers as to why the Jews are so hated, this guy does an excellent job of explaining it.  

Watch his "age of terror" series.  It explains TONS about this issue.

[Reflex]

I highly reccomend the NYT Essay "Armageddon in the Middle East" if you want a detailed analysis of the conflict without the religious claptrap that clouds most western analysis of it.  Believe it or not, religion is not the foundation of the problem, it is merely an exacerbating factor.  Like Africa and southeast Asia, the problems in the middle east stem more from colonialism, or more importantly how colonialism was ended, than religious or even resource factors.  

The NYT essay was written in the 70's and as a result is not as 'politically correct' as what you see about the issue nowadays, and in my opinion is a lot more accurate as a result.  Highly reccomended reading if you want to know whats really going on and what its roots are.

[Texmaster]

Originally posted by: bluebomberx

Why are the fanatical Muslims so hell bent on driving the jews out of Jerusalem? Are they hell bent enough to use a nuclear weapon to decimate the population and the land? If they want it back for their sons and daughters and Allah so badly would they be willing to play scorched earth for it? No one wants a landscape of radioactivity.

I always wondered about this too because since there are 3 major religions in the world laying claim to the same small amount of land and Israel is all around it, how could they possibly nuke it?

[bluebomberx]

ARGH! I hate Real player! I'll see if I can't pull it up on the wife's laptop later. RC, I'll have to see if I can find that at the library.

[Rocky]

Since this thread has gone on a little tangent. Have you guys seen Kingdom of Heaven?  I thought it was a pretty decent portrayal of history.

[bluebomberx]

Originally posted by: Rocky

Since this thread has gone on a little tangent. Have you guys seen Kingdom of Heaven?  I thought it was a pretty decent portrayal of history.

Sounds interesting - never heard of it before. When I need a laugh about history, I pop in Mel Brooks' History of the World: Part I. Maybe Mel will give us a laugh with a part II.

[fall-apart]

If they were going to nuke Israel, they wouldn't do it to Jerusalem - the Dome of the Rock is there - they'd nuke Haifa or some other city with less religious overtones...

[Lord Raiden]

Originally posted by: Texmaster
I always wondered about this too because since there are 3 major religions in the world laying claim to the same small amount of land and Israel is all around it, how could they possibly nuke it?

Agreed.  The radical muslims don't want to take the land.  They want to kill every single Jew in the world, period.  They want to completely wipe them from existance.  They couldn't care less about the land.  In fact, they didn't before Israel stepped in.  The former, and now present, land of Israel was just cast off land where scoundrils and other less desirables collected.

[Reflex]

*sigh*  You seem to need to read the history of the region far more than most, Raiden.  You obviously do not understand it.  If the reference you pointed at taught you this then its not a worthwhile resource at all.

[lightprocess]

Speaking of this, I'm in the middle of watching Kingdom of Heaven and so far it's a fantastic movie. Really goes to show you how it only takes a couple douchebags to mess things up for the rest of us.

[Lord Raiden]

Originally posted by: fall-apart

If they were going to nuke Israel, they wouldn't do it to Jerusalem - the Dome of the Rock is there - they'd nuke Haifa or some other city with less religious overtones...

Actually they want to capture Jeruselem intact.  So that'd be the last place nuked.

[Nighteye]

All the more reason to promote peace, to fight the hatred, instead of inciting more hatred by attacking countries in the middle east and killing people. It's when their friends and families get killed by the american military that people start hating americans. Despite all the good intentions, it's what happens. The change towards a more peaceful attitude that's needed in the middle east has to come from the inside out - a process that should be facilitated, not forcibly imposed if it's to have any chance of success.
Violence, especially pre-emptive violence, only serves to breed more violence.

Break the vicious circle of violence - stop supporting war and start seeking peaceful solutions to all the problems. Consider violence only as the last resort, not as the first option to try - you can never fully repair that which you destroy. America's actions in the middle east during the last century have already caused damage that will last for generations - the seeds of hatred have been sown and fertilised. Only time and peace can make those trees of hatred wither and die.

[LINCARD1000]

I'd like to ask a question.  Stripping away any possibility that a country like North Korea or Iran would hand over any nuclear weaponry to someone who the US government/military would label a terrorist - What exactly is the problem with these countries developing nuclear weapons?

ie put simply, why is it wrong for these non-Western countries to develop nuclear capabilities?

LINC

[Rocky]

"why is it wrong for these non-Western countries to develop nuclear capabilities? "

They lack stable governments. While you might say N. Korea has a stable government per se, it relies on one person. What happens if that person dies? We have a soviet union break up type situation.

The other reason is that most of the US wishes that Nukes never existed. So more of them isnt really the answer to anything.

[lightprocess]

This is a good reason why the US needs to be in good internation standing, otherwise people are going cry "BS" when we call for disarmament.