August 8 EDIT: Which SN95G5v1 and v2 BOM versions work with which X2s: E6 Toledos, E4/E6 Manchesters, Opterons (E6 Denmark core).

[Rosewind]

August 8 EDIT: Which SN95G5v1 and v2 BOM versions work with which X2s: E6 Toledos, E4/E6 Manchesters, Opterons (E6 Denmark core).

[Rosewind]

Results keep coming in so I will update this thread on a more regular basis than I have done since April. It seems that people have not completely abandoned the SN95G5 and are in the process of upgrading processors as prices drop. You should take the below findings with caution as they are based on user feedback. Look for posts with the most recent bios and if possible with more than one user success. Look through the entire findings for your BOM version carefully.

WE NEED MORE PEOPLE TO POST RESULTS


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I'll have to ask people to post or link to a screen shot from CPU-Z (or a similar programme) to make sure that what I post at the top of this thread is acccurate. Alternatively copy the part number on the processor itself.



So your post should include:



·    Which AMD Athlon 64 dual core processor you own: model (3800+, 4200+,  ...), core (Toledo, Manchester, Denmark (Opteron), stepping (E4/E6), part number (if you know it). Please post or link to a screen shot that give us this info  -  just to make sure exactly which stepping and core of the X2 you have.

·    Which version of the SN95G5 you own:  v1.x or v2

·    The BOM number of your SN95G5v1.x or v2

·    Which BIOS version you used when you tested the X2 or Opteron. Shuttle often use bios revisions to deal with "issues" and "processor compatibility". The latest BIOS versions may be found at Benlatak's website: www.xpcbios.com. I recommend that you visit his site.

·    The specs of the other components in your SN95G5



 

Edited: 08/08/2006

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This is an informal survey based on actual user experience as it has turned out that more BOM versions than the ones specifically mentioned by Shuttle in their processor compatibility lists actually work with X2 Toledos (E6), X2 Manchesters (E4/E6) and Opterons (E4/E6). Please use the lists below at your own risk - and please report your own experience with the X2 Toledos, Manchesters and Opterons!



That not all SN95G5v2s support the X2 and Opteron processors listed on Shuttle's compatibility list came as a nasty surprise to SN95G5v2 owners. Despite this, it is a fact that some earlier BOM versions, such as my BOM 23, work with the X2 4400+ (E6 Toledo core). Some BOM 21s work with Manchester E4 stepping X2s - others work with Manchester E6 stepping X2s -it's a jungle out there! BOM 21 owners need to consult imax8 and rover220's posts for clarification!!!!!


It would be really nice if we could find out if there is a consistent pattern to which BOM-versions of the v1x and v2 work with which dual core processors
 

For easy reference I have included an incomplete list of single-core AMD Athlon 64 and dual-core AMD Athlon X2 processors at the end of this post.



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On the SN95G5v1.x The BOM number may be found at the bottom of the case, however, when it comes to the v1.x the BOM number consists of the two digits immediately following 95G5 on the system ID number. If the sticker reads something like 95G511015GV3GH0, it means that you have a BOM 11.



On the SN95G5v2 The BOM number may be found as the very last two digits of the system ID number on white stickers at these locations (SN95G5B-V3GH00-21 means BOM 21):



1) at the bottom of the SN95G5 case (system number)

2) on the PSU case (system number)

3) on the brown AGP slot base (system number)

4) and on a sticker on the outside of the cardboard box that the SN95G5 came in (system number)

5) on the bios chip located 5 cm/2inches in front of the AGP slot (motherboard number).  

 

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August 8 EDIT (I have deleted references to single core Opterons):

Preliminary results based on the posts in this thread (please report your bios version as Shuttle tries to improve compatibility in this way - thus X2 failures with an old bios may be cured with a bios update).


[B]BOM versions of the SN95G5 v1.x and v2 and X2 (in)compatibility


BOM 11

SN95G5v1.2 does not work with:

AMD x2 3800+ (E4 Manchester Core) will boot and run windows with sudden kernel stops and BSODs: 1 user (buzz234)  


SN95G5v1.2 works fine with:

AMD X2 3800+ (E4 Manchester core) 1 user (grovyf (Bios SN95G5S1C)). This is a Manchester core E4: ADA3800DAA5BV).

AMD X2 3800+ (E6 TOLEDO core): 1 user (buzz234 (SN95S1XC))  

AMD X2 4200+ (E4 Manchester core) 1 user (bigwiz (bios SN95SXD)

AMD X2 4400+ (E6 TOLEDO core): 1 user (Macasm (SN95S1XD)

AMD X2 4600+ (E4 Manchester core) 1 user (bios SN95SXD)

AMD Opteron 165: 4 users (noluckjim, ItsTooHot, lorenct (SN95S1XC), solidunit (SN95S1XC)  

AMD Opteron 170: 2 users (damien, BadMonkey (bios sn95s1xc))  

AMD Opteron 175: 1 user (fighterpilot @ 2700mhz)  


SN95G5v1.3 works fine with:

AMD X2 4400+ (E6 Toledo core): 1 user (christopher_n_lewis)  


SN95G5v1.3 works only with COLD BOOT ISSUE that requires bios/cmos reset!!!!!! with:

AMD X2 4400+ (E6 Toledo core): 1 user (Mr. Bigglesworth, w. BIOS sn95s1x8 = OLD BIOS)



BOM 21

SN95G5v2 does not work with:

AMD X2 3800+ (E6 Toledo core): 1 user (Nicolas)  


AMD X2 3800+ (E6 Manchester core): 1 user (alchemist)  Can someone confirm this finding???



SN95G5v2 works only with COLD BOOT ISSUE (requires cmos/bios reset)!!!!!!

AMD X2 4800+ (E6 Toledo core): 1 user (beetle)  

AMD Opteron 165 (E6): 1 user (bpowell556): old bios?

AMD Opteron 175, (E6, Rev JH9-E6): cold boot issue with both S2XC and XD bios. 1 user (hewmf)---- this finding conflicts with what JoeFranson found ---- see a few lines below!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SN95G5v2 works fine with:

AMD X2 3800+ (E6 Manchester core: ADA3800DAA5CD) this BOM 21 worked with the Venice core (stepping E3): 1 user (imax8)  

AMD X2 3800+ (E4 Manchester core - this BOM 21 did not work with the Venice core (stepping E3) !!!!!!!: 1 user (rover220)

AMD Opteron 165 (E6) 1 user (JoeFranson (95s2xd)): ---- this finding conflicts with what hewmf found ---- see a few lines  above!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b]


Bom 23

SN95G5v2 does not work with:

AMD X2 3800+ (E4 Manchester core ADA3800DAA5BV = no boot): 1 user (duc)  

AMD X2 3800+ (E6 -Manchester core ADA3800DAA5CD = no boot): 1 user (duc)  


SN95G5v2 works fine with:

AMD X2 4400+ (E6 Toledo core): 1 user (Rosewind w. 95S2XC+D bioses)  

AMD Opteron 165: 2 users (optymist, d4n13l)  

Bom 25

SN95G5v2


BOM 26

SN95G5v2


BOM 32

SN95G5v3

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Here is an INCOMPLETE overview of SOCKET 939 single and dual core AMD processors (except semprons):



Single core AMD Athlon 64s:



AMD® Athlon 64 Processor (ClawHammer):

FX-55 / FX-53 / 4000+ / 3700+ / 3400+ / 3200+ / 3000+ / 2800+

(Stepping CG)



AMD® Athlon 64 Processor (Newcastle):

[Hyper Transport 2000mhz] 3800+ / 3500+ / 3400+ / 3000+

(Stepping CG)



[Hyper transport 1600 mhz] 3400+ / 3200+ / 3000+ / 2800+

(Stepping CG)



AMD® Athlon 64 (Winchester):

3500+ / 3200+ / 3000+

(Stepping D0)



AMD® Athlon 64 Processor (Venice):

3800+ / 3500+ / 3200+ / 3000+

E3 / E3,E6 / E3, E6 / E3, E6 steppings (L2 cache 512k)



3200+

E3 stepping (L2 cache 256k)



AMD® Athlon FX Processor (San Diego/939):

FX57 / FX55 / 4000+ / 3700+

(Stepping E4) (L2 cache 1mb)



3500+

(Stepping E4) (L2 cache 512k)



Single-Core AMD Opteron Processor Models

Single-Core AMD Opteron Processor Models 144, 146, 148, 150, 152, 154

(E4 stepping) (L2 cache 2x512k)





Dual-Core AMD Athlon X2 Processors

AMD® Athlon X2 Processor: Toledo (E6) / Manchester (E4/E6)



4800+

(E6 stepping: Toledo, L2 cache 2x1mb, 110 watts, part #: ADA4800DAA6CD)



4600+

(E6 Manchester, L2 cache 2x512k, 110 watts, part #: ADA4600DAA5CD)

    BEWARE: when BOXED with heatsink it shares number with the E4 4600+ !!!

(E4 Manchester, L2 cache 2x512k, 110 watts, part #: ADA4600DAA5BV

    BEWARE: when BOXED with heatsink it shares number with the E6 4600+ !!!



4400+

(E6 Toledo, L2 cache 2x1mb, 110 watts, part #: ADA4400DAA6CD)

    BEWARE: when BOXED with heatsink it shares number with the 89 watt 4400+ !!!

(E6 ?Toledo?, L2 cache 2x1mb, 89 watts, part #: ADV4400DAA6CD)

    BEWARE: when BOXED with heatsink it shares number with the 110 watt 4400+ !!!



4200+

(E6 Manchester, L2 cache 2x512k, 89 watts, part #: ADA4200DAA5CD)

    BEWARE: when BOXED with heatsink it shares number with the E4 4200+ !!!

(E4 Manchester, L2 cache 2x512k, 89 watts, part #: ADA4200DAA5BV)

    BEWARE: when BOXED with heatsink it shares number with the E6 4200+ !!!



3800+

(E6 Manchester, L2 cache 2x512k, 89 watts, part #: ADA3800DAA5CD)

    BEWARE: when BOXED with heatsink it shares number with the E4 3800+ !!!

(E4 Manchester, L2 cache 2x512k, 89 watts, part #ADA3800DAA5BV)

    BEWARE: when BOXED with heatsink it shares number with the E6 3800+ !!!





Dual-Core AMD Opteron Processor Models: Denmark core

Dual-Core AMD Opteron Processor Models 165, 170, 175, 180

(E6 stepping) (L2 cache 2x1mb)



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Please let me know if I got something wrong!

[optymist]

I've got a BOM 23, and my Opteron 165 works fine.

Specs:
SN95G5 V2.0 - BOM 23
Opteron 165
2 x 512 PC4000
nVidia 6600GT

heh, maybe I should update my sig.

[d4n13l]

I've got BOM 23, but I'm still waiting for my Opteron 165. I'll post next week if it works or not.

[heliotrope]

bump for more experiences that user have....

[noluckjim]

I know Opterons are in short supply at the moment, but I didn't realise there'd be so few users here without one.

Anyways, I've got a 146 backordered but have no idea when it'll be coming.  Might be next year even I'll post if it works out

[Rosewind]

Should I include v1 owners (and v3 owners) as well? I wouldn't mind doing that.

[rover220]

Mine appears to be BOM21, so as per before with Dual Core I guess I'm shafted.
Shuttle realy suck just of late.

[Rosewind]

rover220.
You have my sympathies. I myself was just plain lucky. I had no idea that different mainboard revisions would make a difference as to processor support. I just ordered my SN95G5v2 in Germany and installed everything - I made a few newbie mistakes along the way though. The fact that I got a BOM 23 motherboard was sheer luck (let's see if it holds up).

I just hope that Shuttle or AMD will get their act together to actively inform its costumers. Instead all we get is complete radio silence, even from Shuttle reps that check this forum regularly. It would be nice to hear what is really going on.

[slaterec]

I purchased my Opteron 148 CAYBE Dec 8th from newegg...shipped and received in about 3 days. They have plenty.

[Rosewind]

slaterec.
It seems that you are using the opteron 148 in your sn25P, so your post really doesn't belong here, as it deals with SN95G5s. Unless, of course, you also tried it in your SN95G5v1.2. Let me know if you did.
Rosewind

[Nicolas]

Mine is BOM21 and it doesn't work with the toledo version of the X2 3800+.

When I contacted Shuttle about my specific issue with the X2 3800+ they didn't mention the BOM-version problem

[imax8]

BOM 21 SN95G5 V2

CPU:  3800+ ADA3800DAA5CD X2 E6 Manchester.

1 GB Crucial RAM

No problems.

Initially system had 3000+ Venice installed, which also worked well. Up-dated AMD x2 driver with single processor installed, then replaced with X2 processor. Win XP (x32 and x64) recognised and adapted to new part on restart.

System has worked well with single and x2 processors since May 05

[Rosewind]

Imax 8.

If your result can be verified by someone else it would be appreciated by a lot of BOM  21ers - Is there anyone out there who will be daring enough to be a beta-tester ...?
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Well, as far as I have heard some stores do not know whether they are shipping E6 Toledos or E6 Manchester 3800+ processors. On their website AMD doesn't distinguish either so you are on your own out there!

[rover220]

Right... Lady Luck don't fail me now.

Just placed order for X2 3800 Manchester core from Ebuyer 195GBP.
God I hope this works ,or it's on Ebay after Christmas if they won't allow return.
Wish me luck friends ,I'll let you know what happens ,should be here Friday 23rd.
Part Number...  ADA3800BVBOX....

According to Shuttle all BOM21 should cover is Wincester, Newcastle and Clawhammer.

P.S. Does anyone know what BOM actualy stands for .

[damien]

Makes me wonder what I can use in my v1.2 BOM 11 system then.

[Rosewind]

Navicaph.

Would it be possible for you to find out which motherboard revisions (BOMs) go with v1, v2 or v3 motherboards?

Thanks. And merry Christmas!


And rover220.
The best of luck!

[noluckjim]

I think this might be about the 5th or 6th time I've said this, but BOM (usually) stands for Bill of Materials.

Back on topic, I'm sitting here typing my post with an Opteron 146 on a SN95G5v2 BOM 23

Edit:  Which just arrived in time for Christmas after 1 month on backorder

[rover220]

Rosewind.
Cheers ,got just about everything crossed that can be.

Would not be so bad if Shuttle would allow/agree to enable SN95 users to purchase MoBo if all is not well.

[imax8]

Unfortunately AMD puts two different processors in the the box that is described as ADA3800BVBOX. It is the Tray P/N that is important. The part that ends 5CD is Stepping E6 and the part that ends 5BV is E4. It is the part 5CD that is recommended by Shuttle and in my experience, it works well.

Processor AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-core
Model 3800+
Ordering P/N (Tray) ADA3800DAA5CD ADA3800DAA5BV
Ordering P/N (PIB) ADA3800BVBOX
Operating Mode 32/64
Stepping E6 E4
Frequency 2000Mhz
HT Speed 2000
Voltage 1.35-1.40 V
Max Temp 71°C
Thermal Power 89W
L1 Cache 128KB + 128KB
L2 Cache 512KB x2
CMOS Technology 90nm SOI
Socket Socket 939

I bought Box from Overclockers (Stoke-on-Trent) I asked them to check processor number ended in 5CD before completing order.

[Rosewind]

imax8.

Just to be sure:
(1) Is your SN95G5v2 really a BOM 21? Your BOM 21 v2 worked well with the Venice core AMD whereas rover220's BOM 21 v2 didn't work with the Venice core.

(2) Where do you get your reading of your X2 as "Manchester core"?

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As far as I can gather at this point, the problems for BOM 21 v2 owners is that they cannot run the E6 Toledo core processsors. They may be able to run E6 Manchester core processors (based on imax8's experience).

rover220.

A word of caution. Your BOM 21 didn't run with the Venice core AMD - perhaps this is an indication that your BOM 21 won't work with the Manchester core either. imax8's BOM 21 worked fine with the Venice core and (so) also with the E6 Manchester.
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I sure hope that Shuttle's BOM numbering system is correct, and that Shuttle didn't made mobo revisions (or part revisions) within individual BOMs - then chaos rules for sure.

[dropadrop]

So let me get something straight here... The BOM number can be found on the PSU? What if you have RMA'd your motherboard, how can you find out the BOM number of the new motherboard? Asking Shuttle directly?

[Rosewind]

It should be present on the motherboard as well - on mine I can find it too on the brown plastic AGP slot base ... AND on the (bios?)chip located 5 cm/2 inches away (towards the front) from the AGP slot.

[imax8]

The BOM number is the last 2 digits of the system ID. This is shown in 3 places on my system, on the base of the case, on the PSU and along the edge of the AGP socket. It looks like this SN95G5B-V3GH00-21. The first 7 characters identify the XPC type, the last 2 characters identify the BOM. Don't know what the middle set of 6 characters signify but the fact that 2 of them are V3 has nothing to do with the V3 XPC - possibibly the nVidia chipset version.

The Motherboard version is on the edge of the Board towards the back of the AGP socket. In my m/c it is FN95 V2.0.

The BOM for the Motherboard is harder to find.The Shuttle FAQ says that is on top of the Serial Socket. On my system, The BIOS identity (Pheonix type D888) is in this location. The Motherboard info is on a label stuck on top of the BIOS chip. (I think this is because the Pheonix label is much bigger than the chip and the m'board label is the same size as the chip) Anyway, the ifo on my label is 21 with a broad underline and the characters under the line are FN95S205, which I assume identify a specific board assembly. The 21 is the BOM.

[alchemist]

BOM 21 SN95G5 V2

CPU: 3800+ ADA3800DAA5CD X2 E6 Manchester.
DID NOT WORK!
(see separate thread for details)

CPU 3000+ Winchester
no problems