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« on: January 14, 2006, 12:48:38 PM » |
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WTF, What is it with this US administration?
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VorLonUK
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2006, 12:48:38 PM » |
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Apparently remote "planes" were used to launch yet another attack on a Sovereign country - Pakistan. Pakistan supports the "War on Terror" and does not allow attacks to take place on it's soil by other countries. I'm interested to see how this pans out and what indeed becomes the timeline. At this point I note it's the US media that are suggesting the CIA carried out these attacks, a claim that the US Military says it has no knowledge of. Apparently only innocent people have been killed and certainly not the intended target. Apparently women and children are among the dead - If this is anything to do with the US then way to go Bush!  BBC Story hereThe irony is though we've discussed terrorism in detail recently on here and this sort of thing doesn't impress me at all. Indeed I see it akin to terrorism and someone should surely take responsibility for any innocent life lost. |
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Bishop
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2006, 04:54:38 PM » |
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No suprises there - one rule for the US and one for everybody else!
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2006, 04:58:13 PM » |
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I can't wait for US PR to try to justify the attack and the tone it down.
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2006, 04:59:39 PM » |
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Collateral damage - it's OK you know as long as you are trying to kill 'the bad guys'
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2006, 05:25:48 PM » |
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Bishop pointed out the fact that I started a duplicate. Originally quoted by: Intuit
"Pakistan protests US missle strike"
Airstrike kills at least 17, reportedly misses al-Qaida's No. 2
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10842035/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10842035/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10842035/
What amazes me is that this is the almost the COMPLETE opposite of what I heard from the Television one or two days ago.
I say "almost", only because the reporter simply never commented on whether Pakistan was in cooperation or not; however did manage to imply their cooperation. I assumed that we wouldn't strike on a nuclear country's land unless their leaders had agreed in some fashion or other with this move and had some prior notification. (which may jeopardize the mission depending on who receives the notification of strike)
I mean WTH? Two almost completely different stories... was this a delayed reaction from Pakistan or did someone "goof the truth" or what ? They said the man was DEAD !
Usually the latest story has the most credibility but my reasoning leans toward the initial story because of the implications involved in striking on a nuclear country's soil without their expressed permission before-hand. EDIT: By the way... this story is dated today. Also, this has got to be like the eighteen-hundreth time that we've "reportedly" killed "al-Qaida's No. 2" man. That brings the valid question, are we just saying that or are we really taking out the "2nd in command"... the man behind the Leader of this group? |
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2006, 12:46:54 AM » |
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and it is kinda funny how every thread where someone is posting a BBC link, it is 100% of the time anti-Bush....yeah, that is really bipartisan.
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2006, 01:09:29 AM » |
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Would you care to justify the missile attack then?
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2006, 01:24:58 AM » |
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the US stirkes where it needs to stirke, and neither you nor i are in any military situation knowledgable enough to know what is and is not justified. commenting on military actions is pointless because the only people qualified to say anything about them are the people involved, i.e. military and guess what...news organizations like the BBC, CNN, and any other liberal lefty orgs will never let the military say what is really going on. It is funny how astounded and amazed at how the military over in Iraq will hear our news broadcasts and be like "what? none of that is true"
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2006, 01:27:34 AM » |
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So this audacious attack on a soveriegn country is perfectly OK because the US says so? That argument reaks of arrogance.
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2006, 01:31:08 AM » |
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Originally posted by: lightprocess
Would you care to justify the missile attack then? Its unfortunate really, but in a time of war...shit happens |
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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2006, 01:32:52 AM » |
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Yea but this isn't even one of those "shit we hit some civilians in the crossfire," it's "we knowingly targeting another country and we don't give a damn.. and hit some civilians in the crossfire."
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2006, 04:14:56 AM » |
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Last time some US civilians were hit in a time of war, many Germans lost their lives. They didn't even strike on our homeland. What happens if they go to the UN and ask for "sanctions" to be placed on the US for an unprovoked and unapproved attack ? (but then again they already tried to call in our President on war crimes committed and look how far that got  )Maybe the story will change for yet a third time on Monday... so I'll bar further comment until then. SOmething just doesn't make sense.... |
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2006, 04:30:24 AM » |
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If pakistan ain't with US they are agains't US. So they better stay with US, it's in their own interest that they should do that..
And don't forget! Pakistan is harboring terrorists!
"If you harbor terrorists, you are a terrorist." Bush
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2006, 06:36:57 AM » |
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Originally posted by: ric
Originally posted by: lightprocess
Would you care to justify the missile attack then?
Its unfortunate really, but in a time of war...shit happens No, No, No! There is NO war on terror, this is simply a Bush "Soundbite" to give all those who are paranoid in the US something to justify his actions with. The point here is Pakistan is a soveriegn country who happens to be an ally of the US and you cannot, should not even ATTEMPT what the US has alledgedly done! The US would never have done this to the former USSR in fear of being wiped of the planet and that is the whole point to this! there is no repect from the US administration as they obviously feel that they can get away with it. I just wonder how many pro Bush guys on here would react if they got a call to say pakistani forces had accidentally taken out 18 of their family members "in the quest to find terrorists" on the US mainland. So Ric and Crobs, would you then say "Shit happens " we are at war? If it turns out that this was a joint venture between Pakastani and US security forces then that will paint a very different picture. If though it is found that the US yet again acted unilaterally (well practically) then I wonder how many more martyr's, freedom fighters or terrorists have signed up now and will in the future due to the heinous act. |
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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2006, 07:27:23 AM » |
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Originally posted by: VorLonUK
There is no repect from the US administration as they obviously feel that they can get away with it.
They will get away with it. |
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2006, 09:02:02 AM » |
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I do justify what the US did one bit, but I have to agree with Crobs. The media is not bipartisin. They make mountains out of ant hills for anything the concervatives do, and ant hills out of mountains for anything the liberals do. It's disgusting really. Makes you wonder if there's not some other bigger agenda underlying what they're doing. OH well, I've got more reliable news sources I go to that I can trust. So I don't bother with the Cr**tastic news network or foxbox or any of those other so called news agencies. Again, I don't condone what the US did, but I'm more peaved at the one sided reporting of this issue.
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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2006, 10:21:47 AM » |
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You guys are so paranoid. WHats with the news having to be bipartisan? Thats about the stupidest thing Ive ever heard. Its not suppose to have a bias at all, except for what is right and what is wrong. Bipartisanship in the news? Are you serious? Lord Raiden and Crobs do you reeally think attacking Pakistan and killing civilians is right? Sure, maybe the military thought it was an enemy target, maybe they thought it was valid, but clearly the military makes mistakes. And when they kill civilians in a country we arent at war with that is wrong, if you dont hold our leaders accountable when they do something wrong, its pretty tough to justify your support when they do something right. Even Bremer came out this week and said that he made mistakes in Iraq and laid out what the US did wrong and what they shouldve done. It was a noble attempt at accountability, something you guys know nothing about.
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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2006, 01:19:07 PM » |
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do you reeally think attacking Pakistan and killing civilians is right? Not one bit. when they kill civilians in a country we arent at war with that is wrong, Agreed. if you dont hold our leaders accountable when they do something wrong, Our gripe isn't holding leaders accountable. It's the double standard of holding one group accountable, but not the other. |
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2006, 02:08:52 PM » |
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"It's the double standard of holding one group accountable, but not the other. "
And who else would you hold accountable for a mistake of military action versus an allied country?
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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2006, 02:22:58 PM » |
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Originally posted by: Fontaine
If pakistan ain't with US they are agains't US. So they better stay with US, it's in their own interest that they should do that..
And don't forget! Pakistan is harboring terrorists!
"If you harbor terrorists, you are a terrorist." Bush Let's not forget that these same groups attack many countries including Pakistan. By Junior's definition every country including ourselves are "harboring" terrorists. Like I indicated, the facts of this matter likely aren't yet in, but attacking on a country's soil without prior notification of their Government is potentially creating issues where they don't exist. Diplomatically it makes no sense. But like I indicated, all the facts are yet in, I believe... CNN.com - Pakistan captures high-level al Qaeda operative - Jul 30 ...Pakistan says it has captured a high-level al Qaeda suspect in a stand-off involving CNN.com - Pakistan seizes 'al Qaeda No. 3' - May 4, 2005NPR : Pakistan Captures Key Al Qaeda FigurePakistan captures al Qaeda suspect - WikinewsGoogle: pakistan captures al'qaedaIt is possible that there have been some unseen developments behind the seens... but we all should know that Junior and his Administration doesn't have the best record when it comes to common sense and diplomacy.... |
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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2006, 02:55:03 PM » |
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Originally posted by: Bishop
Originally posted by: VorLonUK
There is no repect from the US administration as they obviously feel that they can get away with it.
They will get away with it. Agreed. Resource wise, there would be no benefit to taking it any farther than calling the US President to trial again. Last time they did this, our media payed all of about ten seconds reporting on it for two days. Beyond that, they were simply ignored. I haven't checked into it and it would be HARD to find anything, but as far as I know, no penalties have been issued against us. I suspect that until there is some benefit in it for them, they'll continue to do nothing. We're the same way... most, if not all countries are. |
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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2006, 03:44:35 PM » |
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Originally posted by: Crobs808........... news organizations like the BBC, CNN, and any other liberal lefty orgs will never let the military say what is really going on. It is funny how astounded and amazed at how the military over in Iraq will hear our news broadcasts and be like "what? none of that is true" ......... Originally posted by: Lord Raiden........... but I have to agree with Crobs. The media is not bipartisin. .......... Everyone has been sent a personal invite. ENOUGH with this "Liberal Media" non-sense... |
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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2006, 05:36:21 PM » |
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It is funny how astounded and amazed at how the military over in Iraq will hear our news broadcasts and be like "what? none of that is true" So we didn't just send a missile into our "ally" Pakistan and we didn't inflict civilian casualities? Funny how we're bombing our allies now: 'The White House declined to comment on the attacks on Sunday, except to praise President Gen. Pervez Musharraf as well as Pakistan as "a valued ally on the war on terror."' Link |
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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2006, 04:05:42 PM » |
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Originally posted by: crobs808
the US stirkes where it needs to stirke, and neither you nor i are in any military situation knowledgable enough to know what is and is not justified. commenting on military actions is pointless because the only people qualified to say anything about them are the people involved, i.e. military and guess what...news organizations like the BBC, CNN, and any other liberal lefty orgs will never let the military say what is really going on. It is funny how astounded and amazed at how the military over in Iraq will hear our news broadcasts and be like "what? none of that is true"
~ Connor 'The US strikes where it needs to strike'............ is that really a statement made by a real person and not out of some ham, 'John Wayne' war movie? Interestingly, that is virtually word for word what the USSR said about the situation in Germany in the 50's. It had about as much validity when they said it too. The US Military, as various campaigns have shown over the years, frankly haven't got a clue. The BBC Liberal Lefties?!? Bwaaaaah, ha, ha, ha,............ The station that loves the Tories (right wing), is sulking because they've lost three times, and is so pro establishment it's embarrasing? Surely some mistake? They only hate Bush because Blair gets on with him. If him and el tone fall out doubtless they will get right behind him........... |
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