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neototem
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« on: February 12, 2006, 02:41:03 PM » |
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hello
I've just built a 200N with XP-M 2200+ (35W) and 2x512M ofr RAM, and I can't get it to boot.
the power is ok : leds are lighted (blue and orange/green on the fron panel) and optical ports are glowing red
the disc abd CDRON are spinning
but I can't get any video output
I tried both VGA ports, and a video card (VGA and DVI) to not avail
I tried a CMOS reset and booting in safe mode : nothing
I bought th SFF 2nd hand, and had it in the closet for 3 monthes : should I worry about the bios battery ?
thanks for your suggestions
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neototem
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2006, 02:41:03 PM » |
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200N : no boot
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rrussell
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2006, 08:22:44 AM » |
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I wouldn't think 3mos in a closet would kill the battery - besides, that would only make it forget settings between power-downs, not fail to boot altogether. A couple of threads with people battling this symptom are here, and here.I've got a post about halfway down the page on that 2nd one with a 1-6 step checklist detailing how I could consistently bring mine back from the dead when it pulled that stunt. Other folks have not had as much luck with it, though. You say the discs are spinning - do you hear it booting, or are they just powering up and that's all? Other troubleshooting tips would be to unplug the drives and see if you get the POST screen, and try only one, then the other, stick of RAM at a time. Or pull both and see if it beeps angrily at you. Good luck & please post back! R |
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neototem
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2006, 08:39:24 AM » |
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rrussell
thanks for your comments, the search seems a bit odd, as those topics didn't show
the discs are powered, but the HD is empty, so no chance to boot
I tried with a win2k install CD in the CDROM, but same result
I'll have another try with only CPU and one RAM stick, with and without the graphic card
do you know wich VGA port is the default one ?
I've noticed one has a VGA video symbol, the other one has dual marking (VGA/Serial)
I'll try your procedure :
extract from your post :
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1. Unplug
2. Flip pins on clear CMOS jumper
3. Wait 10-20 seconds, whatever. LEAVE PINS ON JUMPER AS IS.
4. Plug in
5. Turn on and very QUICKLY...
6. Move jumper to other pins.
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I'll keep you informed
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2006, 08:58:55 AM » |
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Yeah, I agree - the search feature on these forums does not work so well.
I'm not sure that it matters which VGA you plug into - but I would suggest using a separate vid card anyway, if you have one to use.
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neototem
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2006, 09:00:42 AM » |
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I'll use the video card (radeon 8500 AGP)
I can even use a PCI one I use in my other machine (vodoo 3 2000)
the seller of my 200N will help me too, as he has another proc we can try : answer next wednesday
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neototem
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2006, 01:40:48 PM » |
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I had a few other tests
- without any drive (HD or CDROM) : no difference
- with only one stick of RAM : no difference
- reset following the same procedure as described above : no difference
all tests have been done using the AGP video card, either DVI or VGA
(but no success)
I nitce a quick lighting of the keyboard leds, but thats all, nothing else :
- no video
- no reaction to caps lock or verr num (which should light the leds)
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2006, 02:04:38 PM » |
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Cripes.
Fobis, doesn't this sound like what you just went through?
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2006, 06:25:13 PM » |
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neototem, try hitting Insert as soon as you start your computer up. If that doesn't work, hit the reset button and hit Insert immediately after. It could be that the CPU is not liking something that the board is forcing it to do (like overclocking).
You did say that this was bought 2nd hand: was it working when you bought it? And you also say you had it in a closet, was it on a floor where static electricity could have fried the motherboard? CPU working in a different system? RAM working in a different system?
Hope this helps somehow,
-fobis
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neototem
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2006, 02:40:17 AM » |
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Fobis
it's the only system I have where I can use the proc and RAM, so no other test done
my seller had it tested when he had it back from repair, and is willing to help me as he has another socket A proc
I'll have a try with ins key, but I don't have any disquette drive connected
the box was on the ground but on a wood floor, and is metal, so static electricity shouldn't be problem
would removing the batery be of any help ?
I haven't tried it yet
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2006, 08:48:50 AM » |
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Yeah, part of the extreme-but-official clear-cmos process is to remove the battery and unplug from the wall, while flipping the clear-cmos jumper. You seem a patient fellow, so the longer the better - overnight perhaps. Try as steps 1 and 2 of the 1-6 step program above...
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2006, 12:30:43 PM » |
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I'll have a try at it
the most difficult part is to flip back the clear cmos jumper after plugin the BB back : cramper area, a bit easier as I have unplugged all the ribbon cables nearby
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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2006, 01:40:33 PM » |
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I had another attempt after removing the battery for 1 h : no success
even pressing the insert key doesn't change anything
I'll try to remove/refit the proc, before having another try
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2006, 03:58:38 PM » |
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hey neotem ... bummer man.
just skimming over the thread - what kind of ram are you using? when i first got my 200n, i tried VERY cheap ram (Viking, IIRC) and got horrible results w/bad ram and onboard video - similar to yours.
perhaps it is a faulty psu? you should try another psu from another system - i rma'd my psu when i first got it because it would do precisely what yours does with a video card in it. it would turn on and spin - just no video or boot sounds from the hard drive. i was wigged out!
you might need to seat and reseat the processor a few times too.
i had some really lame issues when i first got the 200n, but once i got the right ram in there, a working psu (200w) from biostar, and some quieter fans, it has been two years of bliss. good luck!
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2006, 04:25:46 PM » |
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victory : it's up and displaying through on board VGA or AGP card
the boot screen is nice after so many hours !
nothing helped before I removed the proc and set it back exactly in the same way (not much choice anyway)
I the added the second stick of ram, the CDROM, SATA drive, AGP card and all went fine, so I dismatled it again to put the clock jumpers back to user mode
I used an external USB disquette drive, which allowed me to run memtest : now I'll start installing the OS on the SATA drive (which is seen, as I have a new message about "no raid defined")
thanks for your advices and support
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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2006, 04:30:42 PM » |
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granolamonkey
the RAM is Corsair XMS 2 x 512M, bought from newegg when I went to US in january
the removal and reinsert of the processor seems to have been the decicive factor : might be worth a try for those in trouble with the 200N
thanks for your wishes : I'll start digging for tips on SATA drives and OS install
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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2006, 11:44:14 PM » |
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killer! that's pretty sweet. i'm very happy for you and i had great results with corsair xms in my 200n as well. glad it was something as simple as reseating that processor. i look forward to seeing that you're continuously happy with the machine  |
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2006, 01:14:59 AM » |
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nice to hear, neototem. i'm glad you got your stuff working.
-fobis
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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2006, 07:53:38 AM » |
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Whew! What a ride. Hey, does anyone think it'd be worth getting a mod to sticky a post about resurrecting 200Ns?  |
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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2006, 01:41:02 AM » |
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Originally posted by: rrussell
Hey, does anyone think it'd be worth getting a mod to sticky a post about resurrecting 200Ns? ![]() Haha! That does seem to be the thing lately, huh? |
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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2006, 02:42:24 PM » |
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well, you guys want it stickied?
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2006, 04:53:33 PM » |
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I think we oughta make a new thread so we can start with a clean one.
So, just a new thread called "Resurrecting your 200N" Subtitle: "How'd you do it" or something to that degree.
Thanks, MrbLOB9000!
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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2006, 02:35:15 PM » |
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Yeah, that's a better idea. Conglomeratify all of the solutions so far. Who's first? |
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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2006, 05:00:30 PM » |
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« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2008, 08:45:16 AM » |
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victory : it's up and displaying through on board VGA or AGP card
the boot screen is nice after so many hours !
nothing helped before I removed the proc and set it back exactly in the same way (not much choice anyway)
I the added the second stick of ram, the CDROM, SATA drive, AGP card and all went fine, so I dismatled it again to put the clock jumpers back to user mode
I used an external USB disquette drive, which allowed me to run memtest : now I'll start installing the OS on the SATA drive (which is seen, as I have a new message about "no raid defined")
thanks for your advices and support Hello, I had the same problem but unfortunataly above points did not help. Now miniPC is OK (motherboard has been replaced by Biostar RMA): http://www.sudhian.com/index.php?/forums/viewthread/104533/P15/ |
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