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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2006, 03:00:28 AM » |
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That's good to hear...
Oh, and on a sidenote, I don't think sanctions are the right way to handle this - they've got a legal right to nuclear power, including enriching uranium for use in civilian power plants.
The only thing that should be done is create some sort of control mechanism, to ensure that that is the only purpose it gets used for. Demanding they stop production altogether is unreasonable and in conflict with international treaties.
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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2006, 02:43:19 PM » |
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That's good to hear...
Demanding they stop production altogether is unreasonable and in conflict with international treaties. Not to mention complete hypocrisy at its best  |
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2006, 02:49:36 PM » |
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Een ezel stoot zich in het algemeen niet twee keer aan dezelfde steen!
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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2006, 03:13:28 PM » |
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Een ezel stoot zich in het algemeen niet twee keer aan dezelfde steen! Inderdaad. ^_^ |
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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2006, 04:17:03 PM » |
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Een ezel stoot zich in het algemeen niet twee keer aan dezelfde steen! Inderdaad. ^_^ "One workbench stroke themselves in general not twice upon the same stone" "Absolutely" Hmm.... On-line translation tools are still not perfect, it seems. I am assuming it is along the lines of "In general an ass does not injure itself upon the same stone twice"? |
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2006, 04:35:29 PM » |
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Een ezel stoot zich in het algemeen niet twee keer aan dezelfde steen! Het gaat: Even a donkey doesn't make the same mistake twice ie. once bitten, twice shy. |
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2006, 12:29:42 PM » |
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Good to hear. THe last thing we need is us going into another country and getting stuck in the mud spinning our wheels
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2006, 03:33:24 PM » |
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IMHO:
1- 'closed society' as per Rumsfeld could be used as a definition of the inner circle around bush. my take: why would one believe Rumsfeld now?
2- This information could be used to justify a first strike against Iran because one doesn't know the extent of enrichment achieved.
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2006, 05:20:49 PM » |
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What about spreading freedom and democracy?
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2006, 04:45:10 AM » |
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Are the living conditions for the average Iranian better or worse than the average Iraqi under Hussein?
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2006, 01:59:06 PM » |
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What about spreading freedom and democracy? Can't do that if Congress doesn't approve. |
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2006, 04:14:43 PM » |
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What about spreading freedom and democracy? Can't do that if Congress doesn't approve. Heh, in a perfect world Scut, sure. But Congress has already approved it. The administration can claim its to fight terrorism and invade Iran and will complete authority from Congress. Thats why bills shouldnt be hastily passed into law like they were prior to Iraq, open ended bills that allow anything in the name of the war on terror is pretty much allowed. If its invading countries or tapping phones, congress made a pretty big mistake. |
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2006, 05:39:29 PM » |
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Are the living conditions for the average Iranian better or worse than the average Iraqi under Hussein? Living conditions? Probably roughly the same, just like with any third world country including Brazil. |
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2006, 05:40:04 PM » |
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What about spreading freedom and democracy? Can't do that if Congress doesn't approve. Heh, in a perfect world Scut, sure. But Congress has already approved it. The administration can claim its to fight terrorism and invade Iran and will complete authority from Congress. Thats why bills shouldnt be hastily passed into law like they were prior to Iraq, open ended bills that allow anything in the name of the war on terror is pretty much allowed. If its invading countries or tapping phones, congress made a pretty big mistake. Kinda a stretch there, bucko! |
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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2006, 05:41:43 PM » |
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What about spreading freedom and democracy? Can't do that if Congress doesn't approve. The way I'm reading it, it seems that you don't agree that Congress should have a say? Correct me if I'm wrong, because the Constitution says that Congress has the power To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
To provide and maintain a navy;
To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2006, 07:27:22 PM » |
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What about spreading freedom and democracy? Can't do that if Congress doesn't approve. Heh, in a perfect world Scut, sure. But Congress has already approved it. The administration can claim its to fight terrorism and invade Iran and will complete authority from Congress. Thats why bills shouldnt be hastily passed into law like they were prior to Iraq, open ended bills that allow anything in the name of the war on terror is pretty much allowed. If its invading countries or tapping phones, congress made a pretty big mistake. Kinda a stretch there, bucko! Yeah, no kidding. The Republicans are openly rebelling against Bush at this point. There's no way Bush could ran a war with Iran through. |
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2006, 07:35:23 PM » |
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Babar,
No, I'm simply saying Congress wouldn't let Bush do it and Rocky's overreacting. Not only are there constitutional limits, but the War Powers Act is also in effect and pretty explicit. Frankly, if Bush and team were stupid enough to send troops into Iran for 90 days and follow the letter of the law in regards to the War Powers Act, which I believe he COULD do according to the letter of the law, I wouldn't be suprised if he wasn't impeached. In Nov 2006, Bush isn't up for election and in 2008 he will ride off into the sunset. He doesn't have to care how this will affect the Republicans, but you know goddamn good and well the rest of the Republicans in Congress will and do care. For the sake of politics alone, they won't let Bush single handedly sink the Republican party even if he wanted to.
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2006, 09:49:26 PM » |
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Heh, in a perfect world Scut, sure. But Congress has already approved it. The administration can claim its to fight terrorism and invade Iran and will complete authority from Congress. Thats why bills shouldnt be hastily passed into law like they were prior to Iraq, open ended bills that allow anything in the name of the war on terror is pretty much allowed. If its invading countries or tapping phones, congress made a pretty big mistake.
Kinda a stretch there, bucko! Yea you would think so wouldnt you babar. Until someone actually tries it and has gotten away with it. |
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