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gwimby
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SteeeeveSFF
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« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2007, 03:14:20 AM » |
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That is pretty cool. I guess those wanting SLi will have to give up if this catches on  I personally think SLi for SFF is no good anyway. |
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gwimby
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« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2007, 06:50:40 AM » |
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Bah, who needs SLi or Crossfire?  I'd imagine GPU's will go dual or multi core in a generation or two, and beyond that they'll be integrated back into the cpu as a few graphic dedicated cores once we start moving past 8+ cores. Add that to the neccessary focus on low power GPUs have to make and I think we'll look back at our giant tower cases and 12 case fans like gas guzzling hat rods of yesteryear. I consider the 8800 and X2000 series to be akin to prescott, hitting a thermal wall. |
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kamaurul
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« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2007, 01:15:44 PM » |
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I just hope Silverstone/Antec/Coolermaster et al aren't just sitting around watching the boards being released, without designing any cases for them. I need a smaller Sugo NOW dammit!!!  Shuttle should really consider modifying and selling their existing cases for this standard. :-/ Any news of smaller cases in the pipeline Steeeeve? |
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CrystalCowboy
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« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2007, 06:05:33 PM » |
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There are plenty of things they could leave off to save space.
Two P-ATA connectors - one is more than enough, and if the price of optical drives with S-ATA came down, I could do with none.
Floppy connector - This should go anyway, a more compact board is a good enough excuse to finally throw it overboard.
4 DIMM slots - I guess that depends on whether you consider this a replacement for full-sized desktop boards, or a compact format. I could get by with 2 DIMM slots in the more compact mini-DTX format at least.
I have been wondering about the heat sink attachment frame. The frame for sockets 939 and AM2 takes up a lot of space. They could recover some of it by endorsing a smaller frame for the low power CPUs.
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« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2007, 06:07:57 PM » |
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Note that for the mini-DTX, the backplate is on one of the long edges, so this makes for a somewhat different arrangement than Shuttle and other "shoebox" size proprietary barebones.
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CrystalCowboy
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« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2007, 06:08:59 PM » |
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Bah, who needs SLi or Crossfire? I'd imagine GPU's will go dual or multi core in a generation or two, and beyond that they'll be integrated back into the cpu as a few graphic dedicated cores once we start moving past 8+ cores. Add that to the neccessary focus on low power GPUs have to make and I think we'll look back at our giant tower cases and 12 case fans like gas guzzling hat rods of yesteryear. I consider the 8800 and X2000 series to be akin to prescott, hitting a thermal wall. Not to mention that PCI-express 2.0 has already been announced. |
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« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2007, 09:21:26 PM » |
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I'd imagine GPU's will go dual or multi core in a generation or two, and beyond that they'll be integrated back into the cpu as a few graphic dedicated cores once we start moving past 8+ cores. I wonder if GPU multi cores will be really successful or benificial. GPU dye size already dwarfs any consumer CPU dyes. The R600 has in the order of 700 million transistors, over twice that of an Intel Core 2 Duo chip (291 million, quad core = 582 million) or the A64x2 line up (230 million). Multi-cored GPUs will either be monstrous or will have to be constructed from simpler cores. I don't know the actual mechanics of how a GPU works, but wouldn't having multiple pixel pipelines provide the parallel processing benifit of multi core solution? |
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« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2007, 03:39:55 AM » |
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honestly I dont know pipperoni, I am not read up on my GPU functions. You could well be right, about the pixel pipelines. That could be one of the changes for Dx10 cards, thats they support a more flexible pipeline.
Shakin' off a mean nap right now, can't think of the proper terms ....
You quite right about the current gpu transitor count and die size! holy cow! R600 is one FAT peice of silicon.
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« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2007, 05:21:34 PM » |
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That's interesting. The holes around the CPU do not look spaced properly for a standard AM2 heat sink.Anyway, Silverstone is ready with a case for that. "Milo ML2" The case also fits micro-ATX, so is not as small as possible for DTX. I think it's the same box as photographed in your link. |
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« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2007, 05:31:19 PM » |
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If I find a DTX with USB, eSATA, and PCI-Express, I will use it for the first revision of my project. I am really excited about this new standard especially if it will implement the future technology of external PCI-Express.
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« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2007, 07:53:16 PM » |
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From AMD's CeBIT press release ( http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~116490,00.html): Companies including Akasa, Albatron, ASUS, Asetek, Compucase, ECS, Founder, FSP, Gigabyte, Hedy, NVIDIA, Shuttle, SilverStone Technology, Thermaltake, and Tongfang have expressed support for DTX, as well as their intent to develop and bring innovative solutions to market designed that benefit both businesses and consumers.Shuttle? Ooooh, for a G2-ish DTX case... |
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« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2007, 05:12:30 PM » |
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I found this mention of a mini-DTX motherboard:
SiS to Participate in WinHEC 2007
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Churchill, the world’s first board in the Mini DTX form factor supporting the Microsoft Home Server, is presented for the first time.
The Churchill motherboard is co-developed by Gigabyte, AMD, and SiS for Home Server. The Home Server is designed to be light-weight, compact and flexible with everything packed into a small form factor chassis. The high performance SiS761GX/SiS966 chipset is implemented in this amazing platform enabling home users to access their data more easily and efficiently. With a rich selection of high speed interfaces, the SiS761GX/SiS966 based Churchill offers a wide range of functions and applications for users. It is expected to draw a lot of attention at the exhibition.
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« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2007, 05:15:27 PM » |
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« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2007, 06:13:10 PM » |
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I'll be watching DTX closely.... I consider it to be the PERFECT platform!
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« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2007, 04:52:07 AM » |
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dtx looks very appealing
did that say it features and HDMI port? hm.. next possible HTPC build :-D
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« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2007, 07:24:38 PM » |
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I guess it's been officially announced, I found a lot of articles today: Gigabyte to ship mini-DTX motherboard in JulyGigabyte Announces First DTX Motherboard
The new Churchill motherboard supports AMD’s Socket AM2 Athlon 64 and Sempron single and dual-core processors. Gigabyte equips Churchill with a SiS761GX north and SiS966 south bridges. The SiS761GX features an integrated Mirage 1 graphics core with DirectX 7 support. Other notable features of the Churchill motherboard include one PCIe x1, one PCI, six SATA 1.5 Gbps/sec ports with support for native command queuing, eight USB 2.0 ports and high definition audio support. Gigabyte also equips Churchill with a header for an optional TPM chip for security purposes.
SATA 1.5? That must be a limitation of the chipset. OK, we have a rough time frame. I presume other manufacturers are also working on products. The article includes a photo of a "prototype chassis." |
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« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2007, 04:02:27 PM » |
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Wow, that mini DTX board would be perfect for a powermac G4 case. great cpu and dimm placement.
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« Reply #47 on: June 09, 2007, 10:59:17 PM » |
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The Albatron again and 2 cases from ECS: http://www.behardware.com/news/8876/computex-dtx-for-albatron-and-ecs.htmlShuttle's recent announcement has got me looking at their stuff again though. Although it never mentioned that we will have the option to buy the cases alone without a motherboard & psu on it. Man, why hasn't anyone started making cases like theirs yet for DTX? Am I expecting too much too soon from the DTX front? |
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« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2007, 03:53:49 PM » |
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When will DTX and mini-DTX be available retail? Other than the one "Churchhill" mobo (which looked pretty unimpressive), i haven't heard anything about actual or planned products.
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« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2007, 04:29:20 AM » |
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Just like kamaurul mentioned before... Albatron They have a production board ready (but not yet on the market apparently). http://www.nordichardware.com/news,6509.htmlIt's called Albatron KD690-AM2 (or Albatron KD690-S1). It's based on the AMD690 chipset but has no PCIe 16x... this board is rather useless for gaming. I so want this DTX format to be widely adopted by manufacturers. |
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