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« on: September 27, 2007, 02:17:15 AM » |
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Hey guys been wow a whilse since like 03-4 since I was on here last
Heres my issues I pulled out my 200n other day been sitting in it's box for 2 years. Well I turn it on and nothing. (Power but no image) I dont get an image from my video card okay so... I figure stupid cards no good. Okay, well thats not it I tried both VGAs on the mobo NOTHING. So I reset the cmos best I could since anyone who has one knows the hell this is. So then after that I pull out all the connecters to my HD Disc drive pull out all but one stick of ram and the video card so it's just: 1 stick of ram and the Processor still no image from the VGAs!! It's so weird I'm getting power to the board. I was able to open and close my disc drive. But nothing. Even if the processor was dead wouldn't I still see something from the bios go up on the screen or no? What do you guys think is going on.
Also; Biostar hasn't responded to me in like week. Do any of you have better reps emails?
Do you know where I could find mobos that would fit a 200N case? I traded a while ago for a black case to replace the silver. I love it. But if I could I would put a new mobo in here and a new power supply. Where could I find one?
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2007, 02:00:12 PM » |
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When you reset the cmos, did you do the reset-the-cmos-turn-it-on-then-flip-the-jumper-really-fast trick? This has been known to jumpstart it. I'm trying to scan the forum for more details, but I can't find it offhand. I'll look a little bit longer. One mention of it is here... |
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2007, 02:02:52 PM » |
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2007, 11:40:38 PM » |
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I'm lost here what in there should I do cause I'm a bit confused. He removed the cpu then put it back in? |
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2007, 11:57:28 PM » |
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I'm lost here what in there should I do cause I'm a bit confused. He removed the cpu then put it back in? Also the: reset-the-cmos-turn-it-on-then-flip-the-jumper-really-fast trick? No I haven't it's hard as hell to even put the jumper on if u've ever worked with a 200n. Jumpstart it? Also while it's on, the CMOS jumper? How would screwing with the BIOS like that jumpstart the VGA to work? If a battery dies for the CMOS does it prevent BIOS from working? Considering when you power the thing up it gets power so I dunno. |
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2007, 07:29:03 AM » |
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I dont understand why jumpers on my mobo are different that in the manual. Kinda odd they set them up like that. But umm I dont think I want to my flipping jumpers on a tiny little motherboard with a case thats wrapped around my hand with a 200+watt powersupply powering a motherboard with issues. What do you guys think? I'm a little iffy :/
Still questioning the battery
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2007, 03:47:30 PM » |
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The battery would only affect whether it kept its configuration between power-downs. EG: You set the system date, shut it down, and next time you power up it's back to 1/1/1900 (or whatever they default to these days.)
I know EXACTLY what a pain in the ass that jumper is - 's why I put an 'extension cord' on it. But that trick has been known to revive many a 200N that's otherwise d-e-d.
re: the VGA outputs, maybe I misread your original problem. Is the machine booting correctly otherwise, you're just not getting a screen? Can you hear the hard drive cranking, get the Windows "tadaa!" when it hits the desktop... just can't see anything?
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2007, 04:08:51 PM » |
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No speakers hooked to it so I'll have to try and listen right now I disconnected everything but I'll rehook it up and try later. I know with some other boards a dead battery can be a bitch like this but I guess not with this board. Yeah everything basically starts up like normal. Even if the HD was say dead it shouldn't matter should still see BIOS. Basically I go to start it up I get power to my AGP card since it's fan goes on, power to cpu fan and my drive opens up if I push it's button so I'm basically getting power to it just no video from my AGP or either of the onboard VGAs. I've contacted the email addresses I've found on Biostars website it's been over a week and none of them are getting back to me which I think is rediculous. I emailed 2 people at shuttle they got back to me within a day. Anyone have any better contacts there? The battery would only affect whether it kept its configuration between power-downs. EG: You set the system date, shut it down, and next time you power up it's back to 1/1/1900 (or whatever they default to these days.)
I know EXACTLY what a pain in the ass that jumper is - 's why I put an 'extension cord' on it. But that trick has been known to revive many a 200N that's otherwise d-e-d.
re: the VGA outputs, maybe I misread your original problem. Is the machine booting correctly otherwise, you're just not getting a screen? Can you hear the hard drive cranking, get the Windows "tadaa!" when it hits the desktop... just can't see anything? |
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2007, 04:39:35 PM » |
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Yeah - power to the bits doesn't mean that it's POSTing. I suspect that since you're not getting any video from ANY output, the quick-reset-thingy-trick is your best bet. To test, just hook up the hard drive and listen to see if it's going through its paces. Or watch the HDD LED on the front. If it's not doing anything, then it's more than just no video output.
It's tricky and I know the space in the front of the case is cramped, but do your best.
I've never had to email biostar about anything - well, I take that back - I emailed their sales dept about buying a replacement part, and they were quick to get back to me about that.
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2007, 05:55:59 AM » |
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Grabbed a bit better plastic jumpter thing from a mobo kinda sad I used to have pinchy ones but I cant find them now I'll kick myself if I tossed them. Annnnnnnyways. So tonight I tried you quick reset switching jumper trick. So I got into my BIOS anyways so thats a big relief I changed my BIOS to optimal since *shrug* theres no reset to default option. I did that restarted and nothing.... So at least I got into my BIOS I guess. So if I can get into my bios and see the computer "post" I the black screen with info before it goes to windows. I guess the mobo isn't shot. Soooo if I'm doing this your still sure it's not a battery issue as well. I'm thinking it could be something off with my cpu. in my bios it was saying it was getting voltage I do believe though. What are your thoughts. Also I plugged back in my HD it sounds like it spins but the light at the front doesn't do any flickering really but even so if it was dead I should still be able to see it boot. Yeah - power to the bits doesn't mean that it's POSTing. I suspect that since you're not getting any video from ANY output, the quick-reset-thingy-trick is your best bet. To test, just hook up the hard drive and listen to see if it's going through its paces. Or watch the HDD LED on the front. If it's not doing anything, then it's more than just no video output.
It's tricky and I know the space in the front of the case is cramped, but do your best.
I've never had to email biostar about anything - well, I take that back - I emailed their sales dept about buying a replacement part, and they were quick to get back to me about that. |
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2007, 06:07:49 AM » |
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The battery would only affect whether it kept its configuration between power-downs. EG: You set the system date, shut it down, and next time you power up it's back to 1/1/1900 (or whatever they default to these days.) that's nto always the case, some times systems can act real weird if the battery is low or not give video if it's too low. |
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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2007, 06:10:55 AM » |
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sometimes resetting to optimal sets things too high for the ram or changes weird IDE settings that make things not stable or make it not post. Try doing it again without setting to optimal I'd say.
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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2007, 06:35:22 AM » |
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sometimes resetting to optimal sets things too high for the ram or changes weird IDE settings that make things not stable or make it not post. Try doing it again without setting to optimal I'd say. Yeah I still question the battery lol I have all along I dunno. I didn't see anything about resetting the BIOS to default just optimal. Might be tricky to load the bios without a floppy drive arg. Okay so here is the trick power on and take the jumpter cap off. You dont even need to put it on the other pins to jump it lol I found this out cuz I dropped the little cap thing. So anyways this is what it says. CMOS Checksum error - defaults loaded Warning! CPU has been Changed. Please re-enter CPU settings in the CMOS setup and remember to save before quit! It shows my Main Processor at the top as a XP 1100Mhz I have a Barton 2500+ so I dunno... If the CPU was dead or something it wouldn't even show up would it? I went to hi F1 to continue (I figured to go into windows) and It get this Via Technologies Serial ATA Raid BIOS setting Utility. I don't have a SATA HD I have a IDE one in here so I dunno what the deal is. I should mention I did the trick twice now all u got to do is pull of the jumper when it's in the reset mode. Also! I can see my bios threw my AGP card wooooooo. So Something is up I'm going to be pissed if it's the batter cuz I had a feeling it has been since last week. But I'm curious about the CPU Okay so I tried another battery and unless fate would be really spiteful and make that one dead too I get the same thing. I can get to the black screen then enter BIOS and thats it. It says F8 and F9 to change sequence or do something but they dont work the only things that do are DEL to get into bios and F1 for that SATA thing I believe. |
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2007, 08:58:12 AM » |
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anytime you do a clear cmos it will say "CMOS Checksum error" and if the bios controls the CPU it will say "warning! CPU has been changed"
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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2007, 01:21:42 PM » |
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What he said.
Is it a 2500 mobile, or just a 2500? I'm not sure why it'd be misreading the CPU type.
There's ANOTHER jumper ~the middle of the board that puts it in to some sort of "safe" mode - only runs the bus at 100mhz, not 133, or something... I'm sorry, I don't completely remember my 200N stuff. Anyway, if that's set wrong, it might be throwing off the detection.
So what you're saying now is - you get a POST, you can go into the BIOS, you get the 2nd "status" screen before it would boot, but it doesn't ever boot? Ok, simple things 1st: Check the HDD connections, check the CD connections, power, etc.
Do you have a floppy? You could check your RAM and CPU by downloading a copy of Memtest86+ and putting it on a floppy, boot and let it crank for a while.
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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2007, 06:33:33 PM » |
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Regular Barton 2500+ I dunno why its missreading it honestly I kinda forget how to OC these chips lol so I went in BIOs and set to Optimized Defaults, so I dunno if it set the CPU lower not sure. I could try running it in safemode I guess.
I get it to the black sreen with white writing so it shows me the details of my system. The only thing really working after that is if I hit Delete and go into my bios.
The HD is connected properly, I'll re-hook up the cd-rom drive but dont think thats going to do anything. Hard drive working or not I still have to do this jump trick to even see anything.
What do you think? Next thing I might try is re-inserting my cpu this is going to be a pain.
Okay so I took the CPU out re-applied new paste stuck it back in, did the trick saved my BIOS then restarted and yup.. Nothing still Apparently only if I do the trick IC an get to my BIOS. and thats it.
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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2007, 07:51:48 PM » |
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Well - when you're in the BIOS, on that 1st screen, is it detecting the HD and CDRom alright?
This is a weird one.
And I don't recall - did you say you got a new battery for the cmos or no?
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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2007, 08:19:30 PM » |
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Yup it shows cd rom and hd and I grabbed a battery out of another rig.
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2007, 03:22:24 AM » |
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Ok.
So when it boots... you get the POST, you get the 2nd screen with the list of parts/IRQ values, and then it...?
Says "non system disk?"
Says "Boot from CD" and hangs?
just does NOTHING?
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Reboots itself?
Can you hear the HD doing anything?
Anything you can think of or notice, I think, at this point...
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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2007, 05:19:08 AM » |
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as for the CPU, it only knows the voltage and multiplier, you have to set the front side bus, so it's probably only set to 100/200 rather than 166/333. So it's the multiplier * 100 rather than multiplier * 166.
Looks like Windows isn't on the hard drive anymore, so it's not booting off the drive. Some computers will do that, just freeze after not finding something bootable on any drive. try downloading a bootable linux live cd and burning that to disc and see if it will boot to that.
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« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2007, 09:01:56 PM » |
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I tried booting with a Windows XP cd and nothing. I cant get Video unless I do the trick.
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« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2007, 03:23:07 PM » |
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Maybe the IDE controller is shot
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Do you have a floppy?
(really grasping at straws here...)
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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2007, 12:31:27 AM » |
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Is there a IDE controller jumper? Anyone have pictures of a 200N mobo as default btw?
Okay heres my next ideas to try:
Since windows isn't loading I have Kubuntu on disc to try
I'm going to try a new IDE cable
Going to try to see if anything is on the HD in another computer
Okay so tried new IDE, didnt work
Couldn't get the HD to boot Kubuntu cd. Sounded like it spun at least so cd drive is good as I knew it was anyways.
When I do use the trick it shows my HD so I doubt anything is wrong with it.
Heres few things. my reset button doesn't reset and and at the post screen and all that I can only use Del to get to bios. Theres an option F9 to select boot devices ect and nothing none of the F-options work. I even tried a different keyboard.
Any other ideas?
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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2007, 01:10:49 PM » |
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I'm running out of them. You can download the PDF user manual (complete with mobo/jumper diagrams) HERE. Do you have to do that jumper trick every single time if you want it to post? I hate to say it, but it's sounding a lot like you're hosed, man. |
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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2007, 03:32:25 AM » |
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I'm running out of them. You can download the PDF user manual (complete with mobo/jumper diagrams) HERE. Do you have to do that jumper trick every single time if you want it to post? I hate to say it, but it's sounding a lot like you're hosed, man. Yeah have to do it every time. Really pisses me off it didn't just die on me. I had it in a box with the syrafoam keeping it sterdy. faaak :/ |
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