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SP35P2 SilenX 80mm fan mod
Posted: 24 December 2007 05:21 AM  
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I was getting pretty tired of the stock ICE fans, you can either make them quiet and weak, or you can make your Shuttle sound like the NASA space shuttle on liftoff and get decent airflow. There really isn’t a happy medium with these, even with the fans reversed. During my last minute Christmas shopping I picked up a couple of fans at the local Fry’s with no particular research done, I just knew I wanted a 92mm and an 80mm (the stock fans are 92mm and 70mm). I looked at CFM and dBa ratings on the fans and found a nice SilenX 80mm with a good compromise of airflow and noise, and a generic 92mm than I took a chance on hoping it would be better than the Shuttle’s. It had impressive specifications so I went for it.

First thing I did was to remove the original ICE fans. In order to do this, I had to use a small flathead screwdriver to pry open the clip on the 70mm PWM fan header and an IC extractor tool to pull out the connector. I found it impossible to do with my bare hands in part due to how little room there is for your hands and fingers in the case and how much friction there is on those 4-pin PWM headers.

Next I unscrewed, removed and set aside the CPU heatsink. I added a little more AS5 to the CPU as it had some bare patches after pulling off the heatsink. It was all still pretty fresh since the system is only about 3 weeks old, so I didn’t feel a need to clean and reapply. For the AS5 purists out there, temps are looking good now so my method was sound, IMHO.

I removed and replaced the 92mm fan with a Link Depot 43.5CFM 2500RPM 28.8dBA 92x25mm I picked up at Fry’s for $7.99. Nothing special just something a little quieter and more powerful than the Shuttle 92mm. It’s a simple 3-pin fan so it always runs at the max 2500RPM unless you use a fan controller. I connected it to the 3-pin header.

I unscrewed and removed the 70mm fan from the CPU heatsink. It actually screws into a rather useless aluminum sheath. After a while of test fitting with the SilenX 80mm fan I decided there was no good way to mount it with that stupid sheath in the way, so I set on removing it.

To remove this sheath you have to remove 6 very tiny screws. I actually tried several tiny screwdrivers which were fairly worthless since they couldn’t get any leverage to break the initial friction. I ended up using a large screwdriver, the same one I use for every other screw in the Shuttle, and it worked great for getting it going, then I used a small one to finish the job. With the 6 tiny screws removed, the sheath slides outward a little and then comes loose. I put it aside.

Next I test fit the 80mm fan where the aluminum sheath previously resided, up against the vertical heatpipe/fin assembly adjacent to the 92mm fan. I put it in the “reversed” orientation, with the sticker side facing away from the 92mm fan (also in the same orientation). With the optical drive tray in place it fit pretty snugly and I figured with a little silicone cushioning material between the top of the fan and the bottom of the optical drive tray it would fit perfectly and eliminate any unwanted vibration effects. The SilenX fan came with four silicone mounting screws which I put in the top four holes (with the tips pointing toward the opposing screw hole). The radius of the head of the silicone screw extends beyond the fan plastic so they might provide a little cushioning, especially with one on each of the four corners on the top edge. But for the real trick I used a small square of silicone dampening material (about 2mm thick and about 25mm square) that came with a 120mm fan kit I had laying around. I just put it on the center of the top face of the fan housing and when the optical drive tray was in place the SilenX fan felt very snug and secure. Depending on whether it ever comes loose I will find a better way of mounting it. I will be traveling with the Shuttle for X-Mas and New Year’s so we will see how my ghetto mod holds up!

As for the results, so far I am very pleased. Airflow is much better, I can actually feel air coming out the far (right) side vent, CPU, GPU and NB idle temps are all down by 4-10 degrees, both of the new fans run at a constant 2500RPM, making for a nice uniform sound, and the noise level is MUCH lower than the stock fans running at Medium (3000RPM). Also the green LEDs on the SilenX fan look pretty nice wink

I also have a 400GB HDD in the tray directly above the SilenX fan and it is running slightly cooler as well—31C, down from around 35C before.

As for load temps, at stock clocks, my E6750 levels off at 48-52C in Prime95 Torture Test #2 (max heat & power consumption), down from 55-60C before.

I haven’t tried overclocking with these fans yet, but it will be interesting to see whether they can hold up to the task at just 2500RPM. I know when I overclocked before I would always run the fans at 4000RPM and it was deafening, lol. But even at 4000RPM the airflow didn’t seem as good as these at just 2500RPM.

Sorry no in-progress pics for this one… I was pretty much just experimenting and didn’t think to take pics, but I think the results are quite good. I did take a few pics from the right hand grill looking in and some other after-the-fact pics though. Hopefully you can see how the 80mm fan fits just perfectly between the heatsink and the drive tray, with the silly aluminum sheath removed.

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Anyways that about wraps it up, next on my list are those 60mm fans above the PSU. They do a good job but man are they annoying above Low. Anyone have any recommendations for 60mm fan replacements?

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Posted: 24 December 2007 05:34 AM   [ # 1 ]  
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correction: the SilenX runs at 1700RPM. Impressive airflow for that low of an RPM!

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Posted: 24 December 2007 07:00 AM   [ # 2 ]  
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Cool, I just ordered my SP35 and I plan on addressing the heat issues. Take some pics with the case off if ya get a chance. Would love to see ya fix the other 2 fans too.

Thanks for posting.

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Posted: 24 December 2007 02:47 PM   [ # 3 ]  
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I decided to add a fan controller for the 92mm. It was kind of a pain to route the cable for it, being that I put it in the drive cage for easy access from the 3.5” bay door. But it was worth it. While I was doing that I snapped some pics of the SilenX 80mm fan outside the case and then in place.

I’ll let the pics do the talking this time:
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Seagate 7200.11 1.5TB 32MB buffer SATA
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Posted: 24 December 2007 03:50 PM   [ # 4 ]  
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I’m gonna pic some fans up from Frys too when I pick up my Processor this Wensday. You said you just went in and picked up what you thought were good by reading the specs, I was wondering if now that you did the mod would ya change any of the fan sizes? Do you think there are good fans that would fit into that Aluminum piece you took off? What size do ya think would fit in there?

Anybody recommend any specific fans?

My Shuttle ST20g5 runs hot all the time I know that for sure, I’ve been leaving the case off.

Good thread, great pics, thanks!

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Posted: 24 December 2007 04:51 PM   [ # 5 ]  
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the only size fan that will screw into the aluminum shroud I took off is 70mm. the thickness also matters, I believe the stock fan is 15mm thick, so 70x15. there isn’t a whole lot to choose from in the 70mm range and if you bump it up to 70x25mm it might not fit because of the heatsink screws. there is a pretty good thread about fan choices here. that’s where I read that using an 80mm in place of the 70mm brings great results. the 80mm category has a huge selection to pick from as that’s the standard case fan size. 70mm, not so much.

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Posted: 24 December 2007 04:53 PM   [ # 6 ]  
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I’m pretty happy with the fans I ended up with even if they weren’t premeditated. I’m sure there are better, but probably not that much better, and probably not something you can just walk in a store and pick out.

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Posted: 24 December 2007 05:06 PM   [ # 7 ]  
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Thanks for the feedback. I’ll see what I come up with and post it here also so U can see how I went about it. I’ll shave the fan down with a saw if I have to and it helps lower temps and sound even further.

Cant wait to get my new system.

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Posted: 24 December 2007 05:09 PM   [ # 8 ]  
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I also just crammed a dual slot BFG 8800GTS 512mb OC into this box. Holy crap was that difficult! I managed to do it without having to disconnect my IDE HDD, woot. One thing I really dislike about the PSU in this Shuttle is how all the power cables come out the same side your GPU is, so putting in a dual slot GPU you have to push against all those cables when installing the card. It’s quite scary…

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Posted: 24 December 2007 05:15 PM   [ # 9 ]  
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Does it block the other PCI slot when ya install that dual slot video card?? Im curious because I have to keep 1 slot open for my TV tuner and was wondering if I could fit a dual slot 8800 and my tv card in there at the same time or not.

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Posted: 24 December 2007 05:49 PM   [ # 10 ]  
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yes it will block the PCI slot. there are loads of external TV tuners but I don’t see much point in them, since you can only get OTA or if you’re lucky QAM (basic cable). leave the TV watching to the TV’s and the PC gaming to the PC, lol.

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Posted: 25 December 2007 12:29 AM   [ # 11 ]  
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yea but I tell ya I use Beyond TV software to record TV from my Viewsat Dish Network receiver which I get all free channels even PPV and I can record anything and once its recorded I can burn any show to DVD with just 2 click of my mouse, I will not give that up. But I am willing to go with an external TV tuner if I end up getting a dual slot graphics card in the near future which is a good possibility. It sucks that it takes up the pci slot. God it would be great if the sp38 would have let us run 2 8800gt’s in there, if so I would have waited for it come out.

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Posted: 26 December 2007 07:06 PM   [ # 12 ]  
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Nice mod, i have one of those Zalman fan mates lying around (i’ll have to find it) and i spied an 80mm ADDA fan from a Lian-Li case i used to have so i might give that fan a whirl (hahah) as i know it’s a low speed one.
Still an LED fan adds bling, with it controlled you don’t have to worry about noise.

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Posted: 27 December 2007 09:07 PM   [ # 13 ]  
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well my fan didn’t come loose or move at all during a long bumpy drive so i’m sure it is fine to leave it like that long term.

i also added a sweet LG GGW-H20L blu-ray burner + HD DVD reader. it’s a little longer than the drive cage, about 3/4 of an inch, unlike my previous TSSTcorp DVD burner, so plugging in my IDE hard drive is a little more difficult but not too bad.

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Corsair XMS2 DHX 2X2GB Kit PC2-6400 800MHz DDR2 (TWIN2X4096-6400C4DHX) @ 5-4-4-12 DDR 900MHz 2.1V
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Seagate 7200.11 1.5TB 32MB buffer SATA
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Posted: 03 January 2008 06:17 PM   [ # 14 ]  
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Just a little update…
The 92mm Link Depot fan is going bye-bye… it has developed an intermittent but rather annoying sound to it (single bearing design is to blame probably) and I’ll be replacing it soon. I’m thinking something like Vantec or Scythe, maybe Zalman.
edit: actually maybe it was just a loose cable resonating, I moved around some of the cables and the sound is gone… the Link Depot stays… for now wink

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Corsair XMS2 DHX 2X2GB Kit PC2-6400 800MHz DDR2 (TWIN2X4096-6400C4DHX) @ 5-4-4-12 DDR 900MHz 2.1V
BFG NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 1GB
OCZ Vertex 120GB 64MB buffer SATA SSD
Samsung Spinpoint F1 750GB 32MB buffer SATA
Seagate 7200.11 1.5TB 32MB buffer SATA
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Posted: 10 January 2008 12:26 PM   [ # 15 ]  
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Thanks for the very useful post, but what about the 60mm fans? - one would think that these were the ones that would benefit most from being replaced?

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