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VIA EPIA EN15000 Review
Posted: 04 May 2006 03:31 AM  
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We’ve posted our thoughts on VIA’s new C7 equipped EPIA EN15000

Check it out:
http://www.sfftech.com/index.php?/articles/show/via_epia_en15000_review/

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Posted: 04 May 2006 03:03 PM   [ # 1 ]  
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Thanks for the review guys.  What are you going to do with the board?  If you were planning on throwing it out let me know, hehe wink

One question: the high CPU utilisation on the video playback tests suggest the decoding work was being done by the CPU (ie. software decoder) and that the CN700’s MPEG2 hardware decoder hadn’t been enabled.  Was this the case?

VIA’s website states for the CN700:

“VIA UniChrome Pro with its optimized shared memory architecture and high definition video support through the Chromotion CE Video Display Engine, offers a breathtaking visual experience for the latest HDTV formats such as Microsoft’sŪ WMV HD”

and lists in the specs:

“Full HDTV support up to 1080i / 720p”

The reason I’m asking is that I’ve seen other reviews for VIA equipment and they often overlook this (software decoding) issue, with resulting ‘seemingly crap’ results.  Furthermore, even with hardware decoding enabled, the VIA-supplied drivers provided often prove poor.  My own experience with VIA hardware is that you do get better performance using a different OS and drivers supplied by third parties, eg. http://www.openchrome.org (although the CN700 is not yet supported).

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Posted: 04 May 2006 03:06 PM   [ # 2 ]  
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Hardware Acceleration was checked in the NVDVD settings.

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Posted: 04 May 2006 03:33 PM   [ # 3 ]  
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I suppose a modern PCI graphics card with HD supposrt would help things along, but unless you abosultly have to have the size, theres not a whole lot of advantage over standard boards and de-clocking processors.

Tuan - does the page numberas at the bottom of the review kick you back to the front page? [They do for me]

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Posted: 04 May 2006 03:38 PM   [ # 4 ]  
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Thanks.  I just noticed on the VIA web site that the CN700 only has MPEG2 hardware decoding.  Therefore, DivX (MPEG4 based) was probably decoded using software, hence the high CPU utilisation and - at 1.5GHz - the crap frame rates.  Out of interest, did you run any MPEG2 tests?  If so, do you remember if you saw ‘DXVA’ or ‘YUY2’ on the NVDVD Video property page?

Sorry for the questions: I’m just trying to find the limitations of the board.

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Posted: 04 May 2006 04:43 PM   [ # 5 ]  
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gwimby - 04 May 2006 03:33 PM

I suppose a modern PCI graphics card

Sounds like an oxymoron to me!

Hey, the board I bought from Logic Supply is an “EPIA EN15000G”. Does anyone know what the ‘G’ is for?

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Posted: 04 May 2006 05:01 PM   [ # 6 ]  
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Shagbag - 04 May 2006 03:38 PM

Thanks.  I just noticed on the VIA web site that the CN700 only has MPEG2 hardware decoding.  Therefore, DivX (MPEG4 based) was probably decoded using software, hence the high CPU utilisation and - at 1.5GHz - the crap frame rates.  Out of interest, did you run any MPEG2 tests?  If so, do you remember if you saw ‘DXVA’ or ‘YUY2’ on the NVDVD Video property page?

Sorry for the questions: I’m just trying to find the limitations of the board.

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The HDTV Transport Stream files are MPEG2.

I have no problems with the links.

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Posted: 05 May 2006 12:44 PM   [ # 7 ]  
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Tuan Huynh -

The HDTV Transport Stream files are MPEG2.

Okay, but did NVDVD report ‘DXVA’ or ‘YUY2’?

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Posted: 05 May 2006 12:58 PM   [ # 8 ]  
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Not sure on that, I’ll have to check it later, usually the box is grayed out if hardware acceleration isn’t available, not to mention the video resolution is 1920x1080.

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Posted: 06 May 2006 12:04 AM   [ # 9 ]  
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Clearly the hardware acceleration is not working...not surprising (given Via’s history of support for these platforms) and consistant: (quoting Epiacenter.com)

“under Windows I couldn’t get any codec installed that was supporting the CN700, even that good old mpeg2 codec that comes with PowerDVD 4.0

Given this thread it would seem Linux support for the hardware acceleration for the CN700 will materialize eventually. At which point, TS playback would be fine. Windows users might be out of luck on this one.

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I too experience the same incorrect page link behaviour as noted by gwimby.

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Posted: 06 May 2006 12:13 AM   [ # 10 ]  
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CityK_2 - 06 May 2006 12:04 AM

Clearly the hardware acceleration is not working...not surprising (given Via’s history of support for these platforms) and consistant: (quoting Epiacenter.com)

“under Windows I couldn’t get any codec installed that was supporting the CN700, even that good old mpeg2 codec that comes with PowerDVD 4.0

Given this thread it would seem Linux support for the hardware acceleration for the CN700 will materialize eventually. At which point, TS playback would be fine. Windows users might be out of luck on this one.

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I too experience the same incorrect page link behaviour as noted by gwimby.

Sounds like VIA still has driver issues to iron out.

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Posted: 06 May 2006 01:19 AM   [ # 11 ]  
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Tuan Huynh - 06 May 2006 12:13 AM

Sounds like VIA still has driver issues to iron out.

That Tuan is the understatement of the year smile

Support for these platforms, as I just wrote in Haydan’s thread, has always been atrocious.

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Posted: 06 May 2006 09:26 AM   [ # 12 ]  
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CityK_2 - 06 May 2006 01:19 AM

Haydan’s thread

Its “hydran” wink
Here is the thread:
http://www.sudhian.com/index.php?/forums/viewthread/90996/

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Posted: 06 May 2006 12:53 PM   [ # 13 ]  
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hydran - 06 May 2006 09:26 AM

CityK_2 - 06 May 2006 01:19 AM
Haydan’s thread

Its “hydran” wink

Oooops! Sorry. I see that somewhere along the line (as evidenced by the inline “haydan” quote I attached in my original post to your thread) I got, for whatever reason, the wrong name in my head and it carried over. rasberry

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Posted: 07 May 2006 08:15 AM   [ # 14 ]  
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This thread is turning into a really useful source of info.  I hope I can add this to the ‘knowledge base’:

This from nVidia’s FAQ section on the NVDVD application:

When hardware acceleration is enabled, the “Decoder Format” section of the NVDVD Video property page will indicate the DXVA mode that is currently being used. If hardware acceleration is disabled or not available on the system, the same section will indicate a software mode such as YUY2.

DXVA stands for DirectX Video Acceleration, a standard defined by Microsoft to allow video decoders to access the video acceleration capabilities of the graphics hardware in the system. All display drivers that pass Microsoft’s WHQL testing support this standard.

For us linux users:

1.  this from Wiki:

XvMC is the Linux equivalent of the Microsoft Windows DxVA API (DirectX Video Acceleration).  X-Video Motion Compensation, often abbreviated as XvMC, is an extension of the X video extension for the X Window System. It allows video programs to offload portions of the MPEG2 decoding process to the GPU hardware. The portions offloaded are Motion Compensation and iDCT (Inverse Discrete Cosine Transform).  XvMC can pass IDCT decoding, and motion-compensation decoding to the video card, offloading that workload to the GPU, which is better suited to this kind of decoding than modern general purpose CPU’s. On most modern CPU’s, the use of XvMC is required to decode 1080i HDTV in real time. Applications which are known to take advantage of XvMC are MPlayer, MythTV, and xine.

2.  this from the OpenChrome web site:

The CLE266 is quite well supported: 2D acceleration, 3D acceleration, Xv and mpeg2 decoding using XvMC should work just fine. There is no support in the driver for the video capture functionality. The maximum image size of the mpeg2 decoder is 1024x1024, so don’t try to use HDTV with this chip.

For the CN400 and PM800 the 2D and 3D acceleration should work nicely. Xv and XvMC are also functional but may cause the computer to lock up if the video window is moved around extensively. It is on our todo list to fix this bug. The mpeg2 decoder of CN400 / PM800 is capable of decoding HDTV. However, none of the developers have had any decent HDTV output devices (or sources for that matter) to test the implementation. There are reports that HDTV stutters when subtitles are used, but we have been unable to verify this. XvMC currently decodes mpeg2. Support for mpeg4 acceleration with xine is underway. For what we know, the display interrupt should be fully functional with these devices. There is support for the vt1623 tv encoder present on the CN400, but support is not complete for the vt1625 HDTV encoder present on some Commel motherboards.

For those of us that didn’t know, the OpenChrome project produce (linux) video drivers for VIA mobos thereby providing an alternative to those produced by VIA themselves.  The CN700 (present on the EN15000) is not yet supported by the OpenChrome project.

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Posted: 07 May 2006 08:38 AM   [ # 15 ]  
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Tuan, I just posted a link to your review over on our frontpage… smile
...and I agree with Shagbag, this thread is indeed turning into quite a valuable resource of information!

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